Quote from: Lokmar on February 04, 2024, 05:24:40 PMNope. I like my Silver Eagles just fine. They're worth more than the cucknadian stuff. Why? Because they're AMERICAN!!!! Having said that, I do plan on buying some cucknadian silver this week, but only a few hundred dollars worth.

American coins just 3rd best after Mexico....Lokmeer!

Canada the first and the bestest, eh?

Ya gotta lotta catchin' u ta do...Eagles 'n all!

Quote from: TheProwler on February 04, 2024, 04:44:38 PMAnyone read Huxley's Brave New World?

Senile Joe is an Epsilon.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

Y'know Prowler, When you talk about yer retired life, if I sat around like that I'd get old and stodgy very fast, I'm afraid.

I'd actually rather do something constructive, like start a small, low risk business. Not even for profit, just even a hobby business.
Learn something. Be useful.

I'm gonna try to find something interesting to do
Maybe learn a a trade, like carpentry or woodworking.
I always wanted to do that.

Now...I'm not putting down your choice of retired life.
It is your life and it's a free country.

But I wouldn't be happy or content in that capacity.
Since retirement is closeby I'm starting to think what I might do after I retire.

Doing nothing or playing pickleball aint my kinda thang tho.
It seems very sendentary.
Frankly, I would be bored silly.

However, there is no standard definition of retirement, no right or wrong.

Each according to his own I guess.

Quote from: JOE on February 04, 2024, 08:48:01 PMAmerican coins just 3rd best after Mexico....Lokmeer!

Canada the first and the bestest, eh?

Ya gotta lotta catchin' u ta do...Eagles 'n all!

Nope. Wrong, josephine. In America, the Silver Eagle  costs an extra $1.50 or more to buy a Silver Eagle over the cucknadian maple.

For those of you who would buy coins, let me state the obvious:
josephine is a fukin idiot, dont listen to ANYTHING he says.

First off, if YOUR country mints a high quality silver or gold coin and you want something universally liquid in a SHTF situation, buy those coins.

If you want something that is liquid and easy to move in a number of countries, buy either Silver Eagles or Cucknadian Maples. Newer than 2013/2014 Cucknadian coins have some added security features that are easily recognizable to the layperson. The American Eagle has security features as well but IMO, the Maple is better.

THE ONLY reason to buy a Mexican Libertad is as a collector coin. Right now, the Mexican silver coins carry a $10 OVER spot price. Yea, thats fukin insane! No thanks! Now if you think their collector value will increase buy and keep some PROPERLY! Be warned tho, when SHTF, they are worth 25% less than what you paid.

Finally, josephine is a clown idiot!

Management should combine all of Joe's attention seeking threads. Give it a title like old Joe's change purse.

Quote from: Herman on February 04, 2024, 09:44:52 PMManagement should combine all of Joe's attention seeking threads. Give it a title like old Joe's change purse.

LOL! I know, right? He should at least do some research before spouting off!

Quote from: Lokmar on February 04, 2024, 09:50:58 PMLOL! I know, right? He should at least do some research before spouting off!

He never does. He doesn't care if he gets stuck knee deep in his own bullshit. He is a troll and this is how he has fun.

Quote from: Lokmar on February 04, 2024, 09:23:09 PMFor those of you who would buy coins, let me state the obvious:
josephine is a fukin idiot, dont listen to ANYTHING he says.

First off, if YOUR country mints a high quality silver or gold coin and you want something universally liquid in a SHTF situation, buy those coins.

If you want something that is liquid and easy to move in a number of countries, buy either Silver Eagles or Cucknadian Maples. Newer than 2013/2014 Cucknadian coins have some added security features that are easily recognizable to the layperson. The American Eagle has security features as well but IMO, the Maple is better.

THE ONLY reason to buy a Mexican Libertad is as a collector coin. Right now, the Mexican silver coins carry a $10 OVER spot price. Yea, thats fukin insane! No thanks! Now if you think their collector value will increase buy and keep some PROPERLY! Be warned tho, when SHTF, they are worth 25% less than what you paid.

Finally, josephine is a clown idiot!

Trouble is America gits counterfeited a lot Lokmeer!

Yanno what they say about bein the leader, eh?

Everybody wants ta copy an be just like you!

"Hmmm, USA's no 1 - let's copy their coins. Make fake paper Bills at Kinko's, etc."

There must be so much fake paper money circulating around yer country Lokmeer! Fake Gold coins too I bet that yer authorities or FBI don't even know about.

I remember a couple of years ago this Chinese guy was passing out $20 US Bill's as tips to us drivers.

But in retrospect I think they were all fake.

China is probably the biggest counterfeiters of US money Lokmeer

Quote from: JOE on February 04, 2024, 09:54:45 PMTrouble is America gits counterfeited a lot Lokmeer!

Yanno what they say about bein the leader, eh?

Everybody wants ta copy an be just like you!

"Hmmm, USA's no 1 - let's copy their coins. Make fake paper Bills at Kinko's, etc."

There must be so much fake paper money circulating around yer country Lokmeer! Fake Gold coins too I bet that yer authorities or FBI don't even know about.

I remember a couple of years ago this Chinese guy was passing out $20 US Bill's as tips to us drivers.

But in retrospect I think they were all fake.

China is probably the biggest counterfeiters of US money Lokmeer

The counterfeits are easy to spot, josephine, they sell 3 for $20 on ebay. Plenty of fake Maples on ebay too.

https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/component/k2/item/32-2015-canadian-silver-maple-1-ounce-silver-coin

Fake as fuk Cucknadian coins for good ol josephine! PWN3D!

Quote from: Lokmar on February 04, 2024, 10:30:29 PMhttps://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/component/k2/item/32-2015-canadian-silver-maple-1-ounce-silver-coin

Fake as fuk Cucknadian coins for good ol josephine! PWN3D!

Old Joe loves this shit.

Quote from: Lokmar on February 04, 2024, 10:30:29 PMhttps://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/component/k2/item/32-2015-canadian-silver-maple-1-ounce-silver-coin

Fake as fuk Cucknadian coins for good ol josephine! PWN3D!

actually Lokmeer, I saw a listing on eBay which I questioned as being genuine.

It's a 1918 CANDA gold sovereign in an NGC case.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/201530272488

I was interested in buying it but then caution set in.

so I decided to research it.

Turns out, I found no photo(s) on the NGC website that matched the serial number.

There was also no record of that kind of case ever made by NGC.

I haven't ever seen a case with a back like that with multicolored looking LGBT stripes:



Plus the gold is suspect. Almost looks like gold lacquered paint finish.
It's too dull.



Gold, even high grade, usually has scratches, scuffs or marks on it.
Gold seems to scratch very easily, even more so than silver.

Now....I don't know if my assumptions are correct.
Maybe I'm wrong.

But it seemed to good to be true.

What do you think?

This is what the NGC website has for coin cases which most closely match the one featured on eBay:



...the backing is metalic silver.
Not opaque.

or this one:



Again, the back decal is metalic.

Quote from: Herman on February 04, 2024, 10:37:13 PMOld Joe loves this shit.

well Herm I buy it so I have ta know what I'm buying & where/whom I buy it from.

There's a lotta fakes out there.

I've been burned a couple of times on collectibles, but not Not coins...at least not yet.

A lotta people have been scammed tho.

Quote from: TheProwler on February 04, 2024, 03:04:18 AMSenile JOEJ, you idiot, did you miss the words "Or best offer"?

They are asking $5,000.  It does not mean they will get it.

When you look at Ebay, you should be looking at "Sold" items to get an idea of what they will sell for, not unsold items.

That whole set is 1.44 ounces of gold.

Here is the $50 coin that is 1 ounce that was sold for $2105:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/276285208171?hash=item4053e1b66b:g:UBkAAOSwenxlpKiD&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4N0Wny9uaPikff9osrCiHH1ryK8DzZjOS0m48mBHdrfmoKiDb2Gvv8C8oqEosnUUTqFhhj8LPnqAnMEeMTPhNY5ML4obkiiz398i3yyZRifU7xnpVBdHTZSTUooi10HDu3%2FDGgeRad7Y8f%2FFmDtED8OjUQCtQbsT3nIb3x5NMcIjGY3jKxI3snDUSafhtwHi0WYfiGLDNa7jBmHlc9iuGK%2BOlRLLnDkYY1pXuEWIdZErpi9AAoEyZnQCMdEr4Xxm7IWLHFOtibCRAYDSPwG9gn7RIspWB4dXYq2pn1kcZXjP%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8iu17GuYw

So if 1 ounce is selling for $2105, 1.44 ounces should sell for $3,031.

So, Senile JOEJ, tell me again about what a good deal you got....

Hahahahaha!!!!

Actually Prowler I reviewed the specifics of that 5 coin set.

According to the specs provided to me by the Royal Canadian mint COA, the actual weight of the coins is 44.929 grams which is 1.44234 troy ounces.

1 oz - 31.15 g
.25 oz - 7.797 g
.10 oz 3.131 g
.05 oz 1.581 g
.0375 oz 1.270 g

Total weight is 44.929 g, or rounded off 45 g or 1.4423434992 troy ounces.

That comes out to about $4100-4160 Canadian worth of Gold depending who you buy it from a current gold prices.

Gold bullion with 99% content is not taxed in Canada.

I spent about $4200 but unlike the example you cited, I didn't pay postage/handling/taxes/duties - which might be incurred on an eBay order like that.

I admit, I paid a slight premium on the Gold, because it came in a special case and it is high quality polished PROOF or mirror surface gold with protective plastic holders. That is the highest quality gold you can possibly buy anywhere for coins in the world. I think the numerical equivalent is MS-70 PF and it's 99.99% pure gold. Elite gold among gold. Altho Bullion has the same metal content, it might rate at MS-63 or MS-64 when graded.

I realized that I paid just a bit more over the typical bullion price, but that is also lower grade finish, does not come in a case, nor does it have a COA or Certificate of Authenticity. This can be an issue when verifying the authenticty of such coins as I had discussed with Lokmeer. Bullion coins are typically minted in the hundreds of thousands or millions making it more difficult to authenticate them. and as Lokmeer pointed out, counterfeiting is a problem, even with Canadian maple leaf coins, which have some of the highest anti-counterfeiting measures in the world. Some bullion pieces might slip through the cracks.

However, when there is a COA, the coins are much easier to verify and trace. If the COA states 399/750 or 125/750 then you know that those coins belong specifically to that set and numerical sequence.

I bring up because I remember when I bought this set, I carefully calculated the amount of gold by weight to see if it was worth buying.

There is another benefit to this set is its rarity. 750 copies is an extremely low mintage and would be considered 'RARE'. Therefore it has potential to rise in value as the sets are broken up.

So yes, I paid a bit more than the gold value - say about $100 Canadian?
Plus I had the coins assayed for authenticy and gold content on a $30,000 electronic device.

But you know the saying - Ya get what ya paid for.

You don't think I thought this out before buying the coins, but I did.
And it was way less than what the sellers were asking on eBay,

this popular US Buillion dealer has them listed at $3795 USD

https://www.apmex.com/product/67494/2012-canada-5-coin-gold-1-million-coin-5th-anniv-gml-proof-set

which is over $5100 Canadian. And that doesn't include postage, handling.
Compared that to the $4200 I paid.

So I came to the conclusion that the place where I purchased them from - this set was the best deal they had in terms of weight, value and quality.

At very least I could re-sell this item for close to what I paid for it - the gold content.
Same time, it might fetch $5000 Canadian or more which translates into a slight profit.

so I'm just providing my rationale for this purchase.

Pick it apart if ya want, but I usu think these things out carefully before I buy them.