Quote from: caskur on April 19, 2024, 01:02:32 PMSo what would you do if you had children aged 4, 3, 2 and 3 months and all of a sudden your spouse who happens to be the bread winner died unexpectedly? Do you think you could get a job and take your 4 children under 4 to work with you?

You talking out of your arse.... people rely on welfare between jobs, or are involved in accidents or there is a downturn in the job market.... and there is no support other than the dole.


You do not know what your next curve ball will bring you.

You are a childless single person with no real life hardship experience.

People used to rely on their church and family. Welfare needs to go away. I'm so sick of the abuse, I'd sooner see assholes starving in the streets. Cant feed your kid? Your kid gets taken away. Simple as that.

I want a strong social safety net for people who work. Unemployment insurance for workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own, pensions after a lifetime of contributing, and universal health care when we need it.

Welfare is different. It is a lifestyle choice. Welfare breeds welfare.Look at a lot of Indians in Canada. That is what welfare causes.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 19, 2024, 01:16:18 PMPeople used to rely on their church and family. Welfare needs to go away. I'm so sick of the abuse, I'd sooner see assholes starving in the streets. Cant feed your kid? Your kid gets taken away. Simple as that.

Taken away to where?

So stick the welfare bill with the Christians and the atheists or non church goers get off not contributing to the widows.

Gee, no one would go to church.

Quote from: Brent on April 19, 2024, 02:16:17 PMI want a strong social safety net for people who work. Unemployment insurance for workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own, pensions after a lifetime of contributing, and universal health care when we need it.

Welfare is different. It is a lifestyle choice. Welfare breeds welfare.Look at a lot of Indians in Canada. That is what welfare causes.

There should be a time limit on how long people can collect social assistance.

Quote from: Brent on April 19, 2024, 02:16:17 PMI want a strong social safety net for people who work. Unemployment insurance for workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own, pensions after a lifetime of contributing, and universal health care when we need it.

Welfare is different. It is a lifestyle choice. Welfare breeds welfare.Look at a lot of Indians in Canada. That is what welfare causes.

I used the word welfare for its common use... the first part of your post I totally agree with... it's still welfare though.

Second part of your post we refer to as dole bludgers and of course that is frowned upon and these days much rarer than previously. There are less dole bludger now than say the 1980s.

People cannot afford to live on the dole today. It's far too low. And that is why, or at least one of the reasons, petty crime is high.

I think you get it... a strong social security system is very important.

What scares the hell out of me is socialists push to dump a million refugees on us over the next year.. We've paid into Medicare for 50 years. I hardly had to use it being fairly healthy... but when these refugees come in, they'll strain our system. I think it is bloody unfair they will get the same treatment having never paid into the system in the first place. It's happening in your country and the UK too.

Quote from: Thiel on April 19, 2024, 05:03:22 PMThere should be a time limit on how long people can collect social assistance.

What they do in Australia is there is a certain length of time you are allowed to find a job on your own and if you can't then you have to go to some job seeker place (I can't remember the name, maybe it's a job agency) then you actively have to show your job seeking efforts...  but you are not cut off the dole unless you miss appointments... then they stop payments.

If you are female and unmarried and keep pumping out kids that is the new dole bludger imo.

I know a girl that has 5 children to two different guys, does not own a home and I think to myself... what would happen if she lost her defacto husband and she becomes homeless with 5 kids?...

I'm scared for them. These silly people who keep having children and not thinking about their future tears me up.

QuotePeople cannot afford to live on the dole today. It's far too low. And that is why, or at least one of the reasons, petty crime is high.

People are not supposed to be "live on" the dole. It is purposely set low for a reason.

Even with low payments too many people have decided it is preferable to working. In 2022, the United States spent $1.6 trillion on welfare programs.

Quote from: Thiel on April 19, 2024, 05:44:34 PMPeople are not supposed to be "live on" the dole. It is purposely set low for a reason.

Even with low payments too many people have decided it is preferable to working. In 2022, the United States spent $1.6 trillion on welfare programs.

That is because covid was rampant and people were given those lump sum payments...right?

I have brain fog atm..  what were those lump sum payments called? Stimulus? Something like that.

If people get a chance to read Mike Tyson's story they will learn about all the house robberies he did with older kids.

That is what juveniles do. Their parents don't have extra money so their kids rob...  just like feudal England with the pick pockets in Oliver Twist...they break into old people places looking for prescribe drugs, jewelry and cash... and they will punch up pensioners.

Welfare programs are usually scams.

That 1.6 trillion most like went to the running of the programs and not the welfare recipients.

Quote from: caskur on April 19, 2024, 04:10:51 PMTaken away to where?

My moms mom was in an orphanage. It was shit. How'd she get there?

Her mom died and her dad was an alky shitbag who left the kids with the alky housekeeper. The state stepped in and severed his rights.

Today, that fucking assclown would have gobs of taxpayer money thrown at him so as to finance his derelict way of life and child abuse.

Take them where? Take them away from him and worry about where after!

Quote from: Lokmar on April 19, 2024, 01:16:18 PMPeople used to rely on their church and family. Welfare needs to go away. I'm so sick of the abuse, I'd sooner see assholes starving in the streets.

Yes, well Caskur is wholly unfamiliar with that kind of system. She is an Australian. Australians by and large are a bunch of libtarded sheep who are forever looking to their government to solve their problems for them and bitching about it when they don't. Australia is a welfare state, it is a welfare basket case.

And successive Australian governments like that arrangement just fine and have a long and storied history dating back to colonial times of squashing any opposition to their hegemony. A lot of this is driven by their unelected Deep State which has in previous times acted in concert with foreign agencies to order the affairs of Australians without their knowledge. A dumb and ignorant bunch of sheeple are much more easily taxed and managed; indeed they will bleat for more of their liberties to be ceded to the power structure (Caskur is a shining example of this).

Take for example the invasion of Norfolk Island in 2016. A self governing external territory of Australia, Norfolk Island had (among other things) an attitude towards welfare that you espoused above - they relied on their church and family. It was difficult of course, but they managed it, much as the Australian Diggers of old used to manage it, back when Australia enjoyed a reputation for being tough and "true blue".

But those Australians are a bygone critter, replaced by wimps and bludgers. Australia's "leaders" much prefer the kind of human refuse that will wag their tails and perform tricks for their masters in return for a few treats and table scraps. It makes it easier to tax them up the yin-yang and still treat them like the whipped and beaten curs they are.

Any example of fortitude in the societal vicinity must of course be dealt with. So the couple of thousand residents of Norfolk Island were a thorn in the Australian ruling class's side. Imagine the nerve of it all, a micronation caring for its elderly and infirm, not under a government agency's behest, no no... cared for by their own families? Can't have that!!! So the Australian government sent in the army and scrapped Norfolk Island's legislative assembly, thereby assuming tighter control over the affairs of its citizens and taxing the shit out of the locals. Drawing condemnation from international eyes in so doing.

The Australian propaganda outlets marketed it as a necessity; Norfolk Island was having trouble paying its debts they said (pretty much like every other country really) and conveniently skirting issues like its local populace caring for its own without the need for government interference. Because if that unpleasant truth had got out then the larger Australian population might have had an excuse to protest for their government to get the fuck out of their own affairs. Shit; the average Aussie politician might have found themselves out of a job and be forced to actually WORK for a living for a change. Can't have that!

You can imagine my guffaws less than a year later when Malcunt Turdball, the same Prime Mincer that ordered the invasion and economic subjugation of Norfolk Island picked up the phone to simp for the then newly elected US president Donald Trump's favour in honoring an agreement inked under President O'Bummer to take a bunch of middle eastern refugees off Australia's hands.

And got his shit shoved in for his troubles. "Fuck off, we're not your local centerlink, cunt, fix your own fuckups!" 

Quote from: Lokmar on April 19, 2024, 06:27:52 PMMy moms mom was in an orphanage. It was shit. How'd she get there?

Her mom died and her dad was an alky shitbag who left the kids with the alky housekeeper. The state stepped in and severed his rights.

Today, that fucking assclown would have gobs of taxpayer money thrown at him so as to finance his derelict way of life and child abuse.

Take them where? Take them away from him and worry about where after!

A society unencumbered with the necessity to pay more than they can afford to some appointed administrator would figure it out. Norfolk Island was proof of that; that's why they needed their culture destroyed.

Ask Caskur about the labor premier that all but called for a massacre in Tasmania so the Aussie government would have an excuse to disarm the Australian population, go on.