Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMI don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.

They aren't working with them now, so what's the difference?



...wait for it...waaait for it....



Ahh yeah, the blood money "equalization" payments become a thing of the past. w00t!

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMMaybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.

Better idea. It costs less to live in AB and SK than it does on Commiefornia, and a newly minted state(s) with unbridled opportunity in the energy sector will provide extra incentive for the "can-do" types to relocate.

Less people living in Commiefornia means less representation for Commiefornia in DC. Potentially more representation for Alberta and/or Saskatchewan in DC... if you're prepared to welcome a population increase and put them to work.

I can hear the REEEEEEEEEEEE from the left already. 

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 11:57:27 PMTrade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.

For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.

Nah man, keep that hellhole in the 50...51 (52?) and lure all its productive workers north. They do exist, just ask Erica.

That way you get to keep a warm water port on the west of the continent (useful for trade with East China (I'm sorry, "Taiwan") as well as a bigass turkeyshoot range for all the assholes who think they can hop the fence and start shitting out babies in return for a green card.

If you're gonna bail any states, fuck off hellholes like Oregon and Washington. Gets rid of most of the ANTIFA fags and Ottawa will sing their praises as new blood against the Nazis anyway.


THERE'S your "pure Win!"

Quote from: . on May 01, 2025, 12:24:03 AMThey aren't working with them now, so what's the difference?



...wait for it...waaait for it....



Ahh yeah, the blood money "equalization" payments become a thing of the past. w00t!

I am not really following what you are advocating for here? Status quo? An independent prairie republic? A new arrangement within Canada(which would be the hardest as it would require assent from seven provinces. It does not sound like becoming a US state though.

Quote from: Eggward on April 30, 2025, 01:08:30 PMI'll move to Alberta tomorrow just to vote no in the referendum and move back after it is over.

Which reservation in Alberta are you moving from and to.

More importantly, why do you care if Alberta leaves? I thought you sanitizer addicted welfare chugs hated people that do not vote for progtards who keep you chugs addicted to sanitizer and welfare.

If I lived in Alberta or Saskatchewan I would vote for independence and not to be an American state. The Democrats might control everything in 2028. They will flood Alberta and Saskatchewan with more illegal MS-13 criminals like Garcia.

I cannot believe how fast things are moving. We are already well over the threshold to trigger a referendum question in Alberta. They are talking about having it on the municipal election ballot in October.

Preston Manning has become the unofficial leader of the prairie independence movement. I am driving to Edmonton for a divorce Canada rally at their legislature. I am also helping to organize one in Regina.

We've already got about 600,000 votes in rural Alberta that we can count on referendum day. All we need after that is 250,000-300,000 urban votes for fifty percent plus one which would trigger a divorce settlement with Canada and Chugs at the table. The US would have a scrutineer there too to make sure it's new territory and eventual state is not getting screwed.

Great stuff & all true. Actual Federal land ownership (it is a non factor) & Chug ownership is very minimal which the USA would offer & offers their Chugs more sovereignty than Canada ever has.
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Regarding Mineral Rights, we currently do not have these in Canada,  but we should and Alberta and Saskatchewan will when we become part of the US.

Saskatchewan will get a similar ballot question after Alberta.

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 11:57:27 PMTrade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.

For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.

White Canadian libtards want to keep Alberta in Canada just to abuse it. Just like any abusive spouse.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 01, 2025, 08:21:27 PMWhite Canadian libtards want to keep Alberta in Canada just to abuse it. Just like any abusive spouse.

Yep. Libtards are a sick bunch.

Quote from: DKG on May 01, 2025, 10:32:05 AMI am not really following what you are advocating for here? Status quo? An independent prairie republic? A new arrangement within Canada(which would be the hardest as it would require assent from seven provinces. It does not sound like becoming a US state though.

Independent prairie republic, either as an end goal or as a stepping stone to US statehood. Either outcome represents an improvement on Alberta's current situation, and you should not confuse my insistence on gaining independence as a necessary step towards that improvement as my somehow advocating against US statehood.

Read it again if you do, go on reading it repeatedly until you understand what I have actually said.

Quote from: . on Today at 09:43:08 AMIndependent prairie republic, either as an end goal or as a stepping stone to US statehood. Either outcome represents an improvement on Alberta's current situation, and you should not confuse my insistence on gaining independence as a necessary step towards that improvement as my somehow advocating against US statehood.

Read it again if you do, go on reading it repeatedly until you understand what I have actually said.

Now I will state what I want to happen.

I want a federal government that treats all provinces equally. I want Ottawa to respect areas of provincial jurisdiction. I want Ottawa to be appreciative of the oversized contribution makes to confederation.

Since the Liberals are usually the governing federal party that is never going to happen. Screw the West, has always been how they govern save for the Chretien/Martin era.

Knowing that, I do not blame the prairie provinces if they leave this dysfunctional relationship with Canada. I wish them well either as independent country or as the newest US state.

Quote from: DKG on Today at 10:37:03 AMI want a federal government that treats all provinces equally. I want Ottawa to respect areas of provincial jurisdiction. I want Ottawa to be appreciative of the oversized contribution makes to confederation.

That would be nice. Given that the WEF openly brags about its infiltration of your federal politics, it is also unlikely. Fully one third of your parliamentarians are subservient to the WEF and it is those interests they are representatives for.

If those interests are served by tossing (what by the WEF standards at least) a few crumbs to a few key areas that can marshal support for the status quo, then those efforts will get those crumbs.

I should point out that it is relative - those equalization payments Shen and I were talking about earlier.... they are onerous by yours and my standards. Not so by the WEF's, especially not if it keeps the majority of the Canadian electorate from rolling out the woodchippers on Wellington Street to "process" the WEF minions the average Canadian is incited to vote for.

Really, pretty much all of Canada needs to leave Canada. I don't see any other real way of getting out from under the pile of shit you find yourself in. The same holds true for other nations... England, Australia, New Zealand et al. The WEF does not play favourites when it comes to political parties - they have enough power and influence to install representatives for their interests in ALL parties, that way they are always assured of their cut, their eventual stranglehold on the globe.

Now, tying oneself to the US does seem like a good idea. Certainly in the short term it would appear to be, but the US is assuredly NOT going to be an attractive prospect forever. There will come a time when it finds itself being mismanaged at the expense of a disenfranchised and divided citizenry. Perhaps obliterated like so many other empires before it. Nothing lasts forever.

And it is for this reason that I leave the option of an independent prairie state on the table. If Alberta joined the US tomorrow, I feel comfortable that they will enjoy a vastly improved circumstance under the Trump administration... some three years plus change. Maybe Vance continues that, maybe he doesn't. Maybe at some point Alberta finds itself subjugate to another Joe Biden or Barabbus Obongo. It might be that shit happens in yours and my lifetime. Preparing for it on the offchance that it does would be prudent.

Being your own independent concern obviates any concern that some cabal of ratbag nation states is going to fuck you up like that. Indeed, it is exactly for those reasons that the US became its own self governing concern in the first place. England had them over a barrel, they told England to go fuck off and had a War to force the proposition. As I recall, Canada was on England's side in that exchange. My, how times change.

And being independent doesn't shield you from the emergence of ratbags in your own midst. Again, look at the US. They celebrated their freedom... 200 years on and they are effectively enslaved to the same oligarchic bullshit they fought a war to get out from under. The MAGA movement appears to be making some headway into rolling it back, but if you had any idea of the scope of the problems they face, you'd also realise their fight is necessarily generational. It took the US generations to get into the shit, jumping back out of it is not an overnight process.

And there is no "New World" to sail off to this time. I mean, fuck Elon's excursions to Mars for the wet dream that they are; if you aren't ready to fight a war for a few thousand square miles on this planet, don't even attempt to sell me on the idea that you are imbued with the pioneering spirit to fight nature itself for your "right to life" in a hostile environment, farming dirt and worrying where your next lungful of oxygen is coming from.

Redrawing political borders is possible, but it isn't easy. You can make it easier by recognizing your own capabilities and NOT pinning your hopes of someone else "coming through" for you in lieu of you doing for yourself. That's how the success stories of this world have invariably worked, but it is also true that once you start showing promise in any endeavour the queue starts to form of interested parties looking to get in on your success. As far as this applies to Alberta, she needs to aim for independence and when she starts showing promise in her actual success and IF the US is interested, her people may then consider shelving their dreams of independence in favour of being annexed by that nation.

Quote from: DKG on Today at 10:37:03 AMI do not blame the prairie provinces if they leave this dysfunctional relationship with Canada. I wish them well either as independent country or as the newest US state.

Amen. I hear enough discontent and see more than enough reason to consider it well founded. I sincerely hope for their sake that they have the commitment to make it happen, because remediation at the federal level is sorely lacking.

Canadian born Stephen Crowder says US will welcome Alberta 'with open arms.'

"Do you want your free speech?" Crowder asked. "There's one way.
"Do you want to have something resembling second amendment rights? There's one way.

"Do you want to have control of your own energy industry? There's one way.
Do you want to stand in the face of communist tyranny? There's one way.
"Do you want your people to benefit economically and have a future that isn't stifled socially, culturally, economically across the board? There's one way."

1. Ottawa doesn't share Alberta's values.
2. Albertans would have more control over their own finances and prosperity.
3. Joining the US would allow Alberta to completely realize its energy potential.