Hong Kong protests

[cc]

On the surface and as we see the world, yes



however



For China it's extremely complicated ... for it,  there is no good ending



China alone will decide their own fate ... ad I'm, not bettin which way they go



It is unusual for China to make such a mistake and put itself in such a a lose lose situation

[Anonymous]

China should call off the bill change right now. Of course China wants to be in charge, wants to look good, and never show any weaknesses. Never to back down.  They need to be strong and fearful.

It's too late for that now.

[Anonymous]

On the surface and as we see the world, yes



however



For China it's extremely complicated ... for it,  there is no good ending



China alone will decide their own fate ... ad I'm, not bettin which way they go



It is unusual for China to make such a mistake and put itself in such a a lose lose situation

The old lady is from the North, but she has been following this closely. It's hard to see how China can save face on this.

[Bricktop]

China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.



The aces are in the West's hands.

[Anonymous]

China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.



The aces are in the West's hands.

Canada is in an even worse position than we already were because of the arrest of the CFO of Huawei.

[cc]

Taiwan Offers Hong-Kong Protesters Safe Harbor From China... Saw this coming...



China lashes out at Taiwan over Hong Kong asylum offer



HONG KONG (AP) — China lashed out at Taiwan on Monday over its offer of political asylum to participants in Hong Kong's pro-democracy protest movement, a day after hundreds of thousands of people marched peacefully in the latest massive demonstration in the Chinese territory.



The government of Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China considers its own territory, strongly supports the protests, and Hong Kong students in Taiwan held events over the weekend expressing their backing. Taiwan's president made the asylum offer last month, though it's not clear if requests have been received.



https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-taiwan-over-hong-051547548.html">https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-tai ... 47548.html">https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-taiwan-over-hong-051547548.html

[cc]

China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.



The aces are in the West's hands.

Absolutely. And finally .. after decades of doing it all backward, a major player of the  West has a good poker player

[Anonymous]

China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.



The aces are in the West's hands.

Absolutely. And finally .. after decades of doing it all backward, a major player of the  West has a good poker player

I don't believe the Western system of government is really desired by that many mainland Chinese..



A significant number of Hong Kong people don't want it either.

[cc]

Both statements are correct I believe.



Not sure of ratio in HK

[Anonymous]

Both statements are correct I believe.



Not sure of ratio in HK

Me neither..



But, Peking has not given any concessions so far and they probably won't.

[Bricktop]

China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.



The aces are in the West's hands.

Canada is in an even worse position than we already were because of the arrest of the CFO of Huawei.

You say that as if Canada stands alone.



You're "family" won't stand by and allow you to be bullied. Australia, the US, UK and New Zealand...and much of Europe...has your back.

[Anonymous]

China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.



The aces are in the West's hands.

Canada is in an even worse position than we already were because of the arrest of the CFO of Huawei.

You say that as if Canada stands alone.



You're "family" won't stand by and allow you to be bullied. Australia, the US, UK and New Zealand...and much of Europe...has your back.

Are they going to buy our canola, beef and maybe potash too when China stops buying from us if Trudeau so much as utters a peep about the protests.

[Zetsu]

Lol the US should just keep selling more new F-16 to Taiwan and F-35 to Japan, add more tariffs, while HK and other Western companies move their factories to Vietnam and Thailand, and see how quick those Chinazi protestor's attitude changes after realizing who needs who more.

[Zetsu]

It has been interesting to see the Hong Kong protests evolve from students opposing a piece of legislation (extradition to China bill), to some kind of ad-hoc democracy movement that desires increased democratic voting rights and less influence from mainland China. Not to burst their ideological bubble, but Hong Kong protesters should think twice about believing that western democracy is some kind of model to be emulated. Between their shrill screams at the Hong Kong airport, they might want to pause and consider that a democratically won Brexit has been undermined by a political cabal that believes it knows better, and that in the United States a democratically elected president has been systematically undermined rather than waiting for the next democratic election to kick him out of office. Democracy is a slippery mess. On the one hand, we all fret about whether our vote counts, how important it is to participate in the process, yet democratic institutions have been perverted into devaluing some votes in favour of others. True democracy is allowing the majority to make a decision, even if it turns out to be the wrong one, so that everyone can learn from it and reverse it at the next election if necessary. The minute we allow or accept that small groups are entitled to thwart the will of the majority, we undermine the very purpose of democracy to the point where our Western elections are probably as much of a charade as Chinese ones. Or Hong Kong ones.

lol The funniest thing is the extradition bill isn't really biggest threat to HK locals, but the ones that fears it the most is the white collar, corrupt government workers or money laundering businessmen that fled from the mainland to stay and hide in the HK and store all their assets there.

[Anonymous]

It has been interesting to see the Hong Kong protests evolve from students opposing a piece of legislation (extradition to China bill), to some kind of ad-hoc democracy movement that desires increased democratic voting rights and less influence from mainland China. Not to burst their ideological bubble, but Hong Kong protesters should think twice about believing that western democracy is some kind of model to be emulated. Between their shrill screams at the Hong Kong airport, they might want to pause and consider that a democratically won Brexit has been undermined by a political cabal that believes it knows better, and that in the United States a democratically elected president has been systematically undermined rather than waiting for the next democratic election to kick him out of office. Democracy is a slippery mess. On the one hand, we all fret about whether our vote counts, how important it is to participate in the process, yet democratic institutions have been perverted into devaluing some votes in favour of others. True democracy is allowing the majority to make a decision, even if it turns out to be the wrong one, so that everyone can learn from it and reverse it at the next election if necessary. The minute we allow or accept that small groups are entitled to thwart the will of the majority, we undermine the very purpose of democracy to the point where our Western elections are probably as much of a charade as Chinese ones. Or Hong Kong ones.

lol The funniest thing is the extradition bill isn't really biggest threat to HK locals, but the ones that fears it the most is the white collar, corrupt government workers or money laundering businessmen that fled from the mainland to stay and hide in the HK and store all their assets there.

I haven't actually read the details of the extradition bill.