What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles

[Anonymous]

Doug Ford Bad Man



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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.



"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.



In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.



at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight  economically, it deserves no place in society

Rebates for electric vehicles are a subsidy for wealthier Canadians.

[Anonymous]

Electric cars have been greenwashed.

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[cc]

Doug Ford Bad Man



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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.



"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.



In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.



at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight  economically, it deserves no place in society

Rebates for electric vehicles are a subsidy for wealthier Canadians.

Yup. Wage earners supporting the wealthy .. Seems all of society is going that way now



I find it unthinkable that these so-called autos are subsidized ... this is how far our leaders have gone to pervert their climate change agenda



And it's ingrained everywhere now with power being used to enrich those with power already

[Anonymous]

Doug Ford Bad Man



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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.



"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.



In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.



at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight  economically, it deserves no place in society

Rebates for electric vehicles are a subsidy for wealthier Canadians.

Yup. Wage earners supporting the wealthy .. Seems all of society is going that way now



I find it unthinkable that these so-called autos are subsidized ... this is how far our leaders have gone to pervert their climate change agenda



And it's ingrained everywhere now with power being used to enrich those with power already

I remember when the NDP were the government in Alberta they implemented a carbon tax and gave some of the proceeds to big corporations they pretend to want to pay their fair share.

 :001_rolleyes:

[Anonymous]

Israel is going to impose a tax on Chinese electric cars to offset loss in gas tax revenue.

[Gaon]

Israel is going to impose a tax on Chinese electric cars to offset loss in gas tax revenue.

In Norway, battery-powered electric vehicles account for 77.5% of all new cars sold. Norwegian officials are stripping electric cars of their special status in a hurry, to compensate for a huge loss of tax income.



The state of Victoria, Australia, became the first in the world to impose a travel tax on Evs, at the rate of ¢2.5 per kilometer, ¢2 for hybrids. The owner brings his car in for an inspection of its speedometer at the end of the year and gets charged an annual fee. Watch a cottage industry of speedometer-reversals sprouting in Israel should this method become the law of the land.

[Anonymous]

Israel is going to impose a tax on Chinese electric cars to offset loss in gas tax revenue.

Suibsidies are getting more generous in Canada.

[Anonymous]

Electric cars are not new.

[media]

[Anonymous]

The switch to electric aint cheap.



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Battery-operated cars are more expensive to manufacture than gasoline-powered automobiles. Although the individual difference varies greatly, purchasing an EV costs at least 50 percent more than an equivalent gasoline-powered one – in some cases up to 300 percent more. The multiplicity of available vehicles – along with the dizzying array of trim levels, options and engines – complicates precise comparison, but some examples make the overall picture clear.



The gasoline-powered version of the Ford Mustang, according to the Ford Canada website, starts at $31,895. The electric version starts at $50,495. According to Chevrolet Canada, the diminutive entry-level (and gas-powered) Chevrolet Spark starts at $10,398 – less than the price of a very fancy e-mountain bike. The electric Chevrolet Bolt – Chevy's "cheapest" electric car – will set you back nearly four times as much: $38,198. The ubiquitous Ford F-150 light truck lists for as little as $34,079. The electric version, when it comes out as the world's first electric pickup, will start at $92,025 – well into European luxury-car pricing territory. The price differences among Japanese and European cars are similar. As for the world's leading all-electric-car manufacturer, Tesla, its least expensive offering, the Model 3, starts at $64,900 – comparable to a well-equipped, mid-sized European sports sedan like the Audi A6. Tesla's Model S, meanwhile, ranges up to $169,990.



In short: EVs are vastly more expensive than gasoline-powered cars and, if they don't come down significantly in price, will put car ownership out of reach of many Canadians. And some carmakers still haven't even developed a fully electric vehicle; others offer only hybrids. No manufacturer has yet produced an electric truck, although the Ford F-150 seems closest to roll-out. Larger electric trucks and RVs are a long way off and may never be feasible.



There are about 25 million cars and light trucks in Canada – less than 1 percent of them electric. EVs still make up only 3.5 percent of new vehicle sales – about 55,000 units last year. The average price of a new car in Canada is now over $40,000. If EVs are conservatively estimated as being 50 percent more expensive, this means that the incremental cost of replacing Canada's entire car and light truck fleet will be at least $500 billion. The gross expenditure would be a hard-to-imagine $1.5 trillion – 75 percent of Canada's entire annual GDP. Clearly, something will have to give.



The costs do not stop there. Not even close. EVs are useless unless they can be recharged. The most basic "Level 1" chargers cost a seemingly modest US$80-US$180 and can be plugged into a standard 120-volt household outlet. But they require eight to 25 hours to fully charge a car, making them impractical for most car owners. Level 2 charging stations can also be installed in a private home with 240-volt service and reduce the charging time to about four to 10 hours. They range in price from US$750 to US$2,600, plus potentially US$1,000-US$3,000 if electrical upgrading is needed.



Level 3 fast-charging stations are for public and commercial networks and can charge an EV's battery bank in 30-60 minutes. They cost US$10,000-US$40,000 plus US$4,000-US$50,000 for installation, reflecting the frequent need for upgraded transmission lines and transformers. By comparison, it costs US$16,000-US$21,000 to purchase a dual-outlet gas pump, plus US$2,500-US$3,000 for installation. And one such pump can service 12-24 times as many vehicles as a single-outlet electric charging station, since it takes no more than five minutes to fuel a gasoline-powered car.



According to Natural Resources Canada, there are barely 6,000 publicly available charging stations across Canada. During the recent federal election, the Liberals promised to spend $700 million to add 50,000 more. But that is still only a small fraction of the number that will be needed. Taking all the factors discussed above into account, powering a nationwide fleet of 25 million EVs might require a couple of million non-residential charging stations, unless charging times drop substantially, vehicle ranges improve sharply and/or people habitually charge their vehicles at home. Taking the mid-range of the costs discussed above, this would require capital investment of $100 billion, not including costs to upgrade or augment major electrical transmission lines to service the increased electrical load (more on that below).

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All of the costs discussed so far come before you "put in the juice." Doing so certainly won't remain "free" for long. Costless charging proved a great way to create buzz for EVs and to soften up the public for the coming transition. City governments and large organizations could afford to offer this as long as EVs remained a novelty, but the practice is obviously unsustainable. Perhaps not surprisingly, it is difficult to obtain clear data on what it actually costs to charge an EV. Electricity rates vary greatly from province to province, from region to region within some provinces, and according to time of day. It costs more to charge a vehicle at a fast-charging commercial station that is trying to recover its investment costs and make a profit on the electricity it sells than it does at a slower, home-based station.



Taking all of this into account, a recent study by the Anderson Economic Group concluded that refuelling in the U.S. costs US$8.58-US$12.60 per 100 miles driven for a range of gasoline-powered vehicles, while recharging costs US$12.95-US$15.52 per 100 miles driven for comparable EVs. Going by these data, driving a typical 10,000 miles per year would increase the annual cost of motoring by about US$350. While noticeable, most car owners would probably consider this bearable. But this assumes stable electricity prices for the long term. More likely, power costs will climb significantly in response to increased demand associated with a burgeoning EV fleet and the ongoing government-driven shift to less efficient and more expensive "green" energy sources.



The shift to EVs will clearly entail significant new costs for car owners and those who depend on them. Assuming that a typical EV will last 10-12 years, the changeover will cost the average Canadian car buyer at least $2,000 per year more than they would spend to replace a normal car. A home charging station will come on top of that. As will the added cost of charging their EV – already at least Cdn$500 more per year than gasoline or diesel, and set to climb.



All-in, the additional costs are likely to be $4,000 or more per year. (For a family that needs two vehicles, that would be $8,000+ annually.) That will materially reduce the standard of living of all but the wealthiest Canadian families, and will certainly price some families out of vehicle ownership altogether. These extra costs are the primary reason why Canadians have been reluctant to buy EVs.

[Anonymous]

Lithium  production requires large amounts of water (500,000 gallons per tonne of lithium) and releases a variety of toxic chemicals into the environment.

[Anonymous]

By Lorne Gunter of Sun News Media



Long trips not practical

Despite what federal environment minister says, electric vehicles can't go across Canada easily





"Did you know that you can now drive coast-to-coast from Victoria, B.C. to St. John's, Nfld. in an electric vehicle?" That's what radical environmentalist turned radical Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault tweeted in July.



Yeah. Maybe.



For instance, once you leave Thunder Bay headed for Winnipeg, you'd better turn right at Shabaqua Corners rather than head straight west, because the only charging stations before you get to Kenora are in Dryden.



There's nothing in International Falls (unless you cross over onto the American side), so about two-thirds of the way to Lake of the Woods your motor is going to stop whirring and you're going to find yourself waiting for a flatbed tow truck to haul your expensive paperweight to the nearest charging station over 200 kms away.



That's an $800 tab and a one-day delay (add the cost of a motel) just because you followed the fanciful advice of Ottawa's greenie-in-chief.



Let's say you do take the right route and end up at one of Dryden's nine charging stations. You'd better hope you get to one of the fast ones, first. There it will only take you about an hour to get enough juice to make it to a station in Kenora.



If the only plug-in left when you arrive is a level 2 ... well, you may as well get a motel. It's going to take about 10 hours for a 400-km charge.



So, yes, it's technically possible to drive coast-to-coast in an e-car, provided you plan each charge as though it was the highlight of your trip and take only designated routes. Don't detour to interesting historical sights or the trailheads to spectacular lookouts.



And what if your get stranded in a blizzard between Moose Jaw and Swift Current, Sask.? Cold weather is extra draining on e-car batteries. You'll soon find yourself on the side of the road in a shelter that is rapidly losing light and heat.



People sometimes drive across Canada stopping only at Tims. That's easier to do than taking Guilbeault's trip.



Nonetheless, the fantasy that "green" politicians have that it's a snap to switch from a gasoline or diesel fleet to an electric one is behind the federal Liberals' announcement late last week that by 2030, half of all passenger vehicles sold in Canada must be electric.



Dealers are expected only to be able to sell one gasoline or diesel vehicle for every electric one they sell.



What happens if customers don't want them? Currently under three per cent of new vehicles sold in Canada are electric or hybrid.



What makes the Trudeau government think it can force a 19-fold increase in just nine years simply with flick of a wrist?



Who says carmakers can even produce the number of e-vehicles we're talking about? That would be 700,000 electrics a year.



Even other parts of the Liberal government recognize that switching to electrics will be difficult and rocky. More difficult and rocky, the harder Guibeault and the prime minister push.



A federal Department of Industry briefing, obtained by Blacklocks's Reporter last week, says e-cars are impractical in Canada. They can't reliably handle our climate and distances.



Besides, the infrastructure (like charging stations) does not exist (and will not exist for years) to make them practical outside major cities.



Also, a study released earlier this month by the "green" energy think tank, Clean Energy Canada, estimates that to produce all the power needed to reach net-zero in 28 years, Canada would either have to build over 100 new hydro dams or a dozen new nuclear plants (or some combination) by 2050.



Does anyone realistically expect that to happen? The same environmentalists who demand an end to fossil fuels would be first in line to protest each dam or atomic powerplants.



E-cars just aren't practical under the Liberal's short timeline.

[cc]

The fact that Govts never had to build a single station when petro powered vehicles came out .. nor since  .. is lost on them



There's a message in that, but those in power don't want to know or hear that



(Petrocan doesn't count as it was not at all needed)

[Anonymous]

The fact that Govts never had to build a single station when petro powered vehicles came out .. nor since  .. is lost on them



There's a message in that, but those in power don't want to know or hear that



(Petrocan doesn't count as it was not at all needed)

The infrastucture to power internal combustion vehicles did not require billions of dollars of taxpayer money to be built. All the jobs alarmists say will be created with the forced transition(as opposed to market transition) will be artificial. There is not a market demand driving it.

[Odinson]

One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.



I like hearing the engine power.

[Anonymous]

One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.



I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.