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What say about his situation.....

Started by Obvious Li, May 19, 2014, 04:08:35 AM

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Obvious Li

personally i think the sentence was silly, harsh and beyond the pale in the extreme...considering that until recently the age of consent in most of canada was 14 years of age.....i think her sentence constitutes cruel and unusual punishment and she should be allowed to stay here where she can seduce all the 16 year olds she wants.......what do you think ???



granted Ms. Harvey protected person status. This status allows Ms. Harvey to apply for permanent residency," wrote a spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration Canada in an email to the National Post Thursday.



Such rulings involving Americans are rare: The IRB told the National Post Thursday that only three such claims were accepted in 2013.



Ms. Harvey, a mortgage broker, and the 16-year-old met at her son's baseball practices. The two had sex five times at the boy's father's house and after hours in her office.



In November, 2009, Ms. Harvey, her husband and son, fled their Vero Beach, Fla. home and moved to Pike Lake, Sask.



One and a half years later, in April 2011, she was arrested by RCMP.

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Ms. Harvey then sought refugee protection, claiming her 30-year sentence was "cruel and unusual punishment." She insisted she did not commit the crimes she'd been convicted of.



The Immigration and Refugee Board initially granted asylum to Ms. Harvey. In federal court documents, the board notes that there was no evidence that the sex was not consensual. The physical relationship was only illegal because of the age difference, the documents state.



The IRB decided Ms. Harvey was facing cruel and unusual punishment by Canada's standards, which was also in disregard, it said, of ''accepted international standards.''



In Florida, it is illegal for a person over the age of 24 to have sex with a person 16 or younger. In Canada, the age of consent is 16. If the accused is in a position of trust or authority, the age of consent is 18.



Canada's Minister of Citizenship and Immigration then appealed to the Federal Court of Canada to overturn the decision. In a decision released in July, 2013, the appeal was granted and Ms. Harvey lost her refugee status.



The judge in the appeal case ruled the IRB had not provided adequate reasoning explaining why Ms. Harvey's sentence contravened international standards. "We do not know which of Ms. Harvey's arguments on the question of 'accepted international standards' were or were not accepted and why that was," wrote Justice Anne Mactavish.



This federal court decision cleared the way for a new IRB hearing.



Alexis Pavlich, spokesperson for Chris Alexander, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Canada, said the government's position in the case is clear, noting it had appealed the ruling.



"Our Conservative government is committed to keeping Canada's streets and communities safe for all Canadians, particularly for those who are most vulnerable – children," she said.



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Nikki Robinson, a Florida assistant state attorney who was a prosecutor on Ms. Harvey's original case, said Ms. Harvey entered Canada illegally as a convicted sex offender.



"It is incomprehensible to me that Canada would grant her any type of immigration relief under these circumstances," she said in an email to the National Post.



Barry Golden, senior investigator with the U.S. Marshal's Office in Miami, Fla., said Ms. Harvey's case will remain open in the U.S.



"If she does come back to the States there will be an active arrest warrant for her," he said.



"This type of crime, any felony where you're sentenced to 30 years, that's a severe crime," he said.



He said he could not comment on whether or not the U.S. would continue to seek to extradite Ms. Harvey.



"It's a case that's going to remain open, not only with our marshal's service in Fort Pierce but also our international investigations branch," he said. "We have investigators that are liaisons to Canada and they may periodically keep tabs on the investigation and find out what's going on.



"We don't close a case just because things aren't ruled in our favour," he said.



A spokesperson for the IRB said they cannot discuss specific refugee claims or claims to be a person in need of protection due to privacy restrictions.



Ms. Harvey's lawyer said he would not comment on her case.



If Ms. Harvey does apply for permanent resident states and is approved, she will receive most social benefits Canadians receive, including healthcare coverage. She could also apply for Canadian citizenship.

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RW

This case should not be our legal problem.



Thirty years for consensual sex with a 16 year old is ridiculous.  The US needs to get its legal system in order and stop making this shit our problem.
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Anonymous

I could not read it, it makes me sick.

Renee

I think you can have her. If having sex with a child; consensual or otherwise is okay with you guys then by all means keep the scummy bitch. It saves us the trouble and money of warehousing her degenerate ass.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Anonymous

Quote from: "Renee"I think you can have her. If having sex with a child; consensual or otherwise is okay with you guys then by all means keep the scummy bitch. It saves us the trouble and money of warehousing her degenerate ass.

I would guess that most Canadians do not want her here Renee.

RW

Renee, in Canada, consenting age is 16 (with circumstantial restriction - not age limit necessarily). What she did may not have even been a crime here.  Regardless, 30 years is a ridiculous sentence.
Beware of Gaslighters!

Renee

Quote from: "Real Woman"Renee, in Canada, consenting age is 16 (with circumstantial restriction - not age limit necessarily). What she did may not have even been a crime here.  Regardless, 30 years is a ridiculous sentence.

 

You're right it is a ridiculous sentence. I would much rather see her get a bullet to the back of the head.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Obvious Li

Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Real Woman"Renee, in Canada, consenting age is 16 (with circumstantial restriction - not age limit necessarily). What she did may not have even been a crime here.  Regardless, 30 years is a ridiculous sentence.

 

You're right it is a ridiculous sentence. I would much rather see her get a bullet to the back of the head.




jesus..i'm sure glad you weren't the truant officer when i went to high school.....woulda been pretty boring at all those bush parties....... :mrgreen:

Anonymous

What a sick fucking bitch. More proof that our refugee system invites abuse.

RW

So having consensual sex with someone of age to consent but being branded a "sex offender" based on some arbitrary age restriction is bullet worthy?



Wow Renee.
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Obvious Li

Quote from: "Real Woman"So having consensual sex with someone of age to consent but being branded a "sex offender" based on some arbitrary age restriction is bullet worthy?



Wow Renee.




never thought it would happen....but i am with you on this one cupcake.....until the 1960's if you weren't married by 16 you would be considered an old maid.....30 fucking years....crazy shit going on down there

Chickenfeets

I'm more concerned by the fact that it's legal for a 12 year old to buy ammunition for and use daddy's shotgun than by who a 16 year old chooses to sleep with.

RW

Oh NOW it makes sense!  You get the 12 year olds to shoot the 30 year olds who sleep with 16 year olds.



The problem can take care of itself.
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Anonymous

Quote from: "Chickenfeets"I'm more concerned by the fact that it's legal for a 12 year old to buy ammunition for and use daddy's shotgun than by who a 16 year old chooses to sleep with.

There is something really fucked up about any woman that has sex with a 16 year old boy. However, my problem is the abuse of our refugee system again and again.