8 more slaughtered in the US.

[Frood]

Your one instance (sorry, I'll have to take your word for it sight unseen) negates the deaths of 6 children (teenage and below) in a household of 8 because you feel it's about the right to "not want to own a weapon"?



Excuse me on this, but, man up.



Self defense is not about the types of weapons. It's about the mindset to defend oneself or fellow human beings. Dialing 000 or 911 doesn't get the job done when push comes to shove. Teaching your children how to stay alive in the 10-20 minute period between placing a call (if you or they even can) and a possible visitation by armed thugs in blue to save you and them without accidentally killing you or them, it's a sliding scale of fail.



Self defense can't be legislated out because people like yourself have an aversion to weapons (whether designed as weapons or not).



EVERYTHING is a weapon. Your kitchen knives, your aerosol cans, baseball bats, and anything else you can find. If somebody busts into your home illegally with an illegal firearm which was illegally gotten despite the fact that you and your loved ones always followed "the legal rules", you're shit out of luck according to your ilk. In fact, you're a sacrifice to the "ban it" zombies. Are you happy to die according to that? Are you happy to wait for the police (should you even get the chance to contact them) while your loved ones, children and older ones, sit their helplessly because you have an AVERSION TO SELF DEFENSE?



I'm just about to gag having considered what you've said to me and in general. I'm thinking that any offspring you're a part of producing are going to be perpetual victims, even if they survive life.

I'm not actually advocating against self-defence or gun ownership. I just think things are too friggin' crazy in the US. Thinking that every single American should be packing heat ready to blast away is senseless.



I've never once needed a gun. None of my family, friends, coworkers and acquaintances have ever needed a gun.



So what am I supposed to be worried about? I'm a thousand times more likely to be hit by a car or by lightning.



If everyone in my city of Vancouver was walking around packing, it would be as crazy as suddenly finding ourselves in some sort of Mad Max dystopia. There's simply no need. There would be many times more accidental shootings than any self-defence shooting.

Tens of millions of conceal carry licences have been issued in the US with virtually no blowback. Out of the 300 plus million residents in the US, those tens of millions of licences are still not enough. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass in the US (and Australia, if you think about it).



People either follow the spirit of the law, the letter of the law, and more often, both.



I have hope for your soul, Romero.  ac_smile

[RW]

Do you know how rare it is for a person to use a gun for self defence?  Stuff like this happens without warning and takes all but seconds to be fatal.

Any idea why that is?

I believe I stated a reason in my previous post.



You can't gun fight your way to safety.  It's a false sense of security.

[Romero]

Tens of millions of conceal carry licences have been issued in the US with virtually no blowback. Out of the 300 plus million residents in the US, those tens of millions of licences are still not enough. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass in the US (and Australia, if you think about it).



People either follow the spirit of the law, the letter of the law, and more often, both.



I have hope for your soul, Romero.  ac_smile

I suppose you don't realize there are 30,000 gun deaths in the US every year. Tens of thousands of injuries. Mass shootings on a weekly basis.



It's nowhere close to anything like that in countries which aren't in a state of war. Including Australia. Gun control appears to work where peole are sane.



Yeah, the US just needs more people ready to shoot each other! That'll make the country more safe. It's been working wonders so far.

[Wulf]

Do you know how rare it is for a person to use a gun for self defence?  Stuff like this happens without warning and takes all but seconds to be fatal.

Any idea why that is?

I believe I stated a reason in my previous post.



You can't gun fight your way to safety.  It's a false sense of security.

Really, who taught you that tripe?



I'll tell you what, you can remain unarmed and God forbid if you get attacked, by an armed assailant, let me know how you made it to "safety". If I don't get an answer, I'll just assume whatever strategy you employed didn't work.



I think you are talking to the wrong person on this.

[Frood]

Tens of millions of conceal carry licences have been issued in the US with virtually no blowback. Out of the 300 plus million residents in the US, those tens of millions of licences are still not enough. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass in the US (and Australia, if you think about it).



People either follow the spirit of the law, the letter of the law, and more often, both.



I have hope for your soul, Romero.  ac_smile

I suppose you don't realize there are 30,000 gun deaths in the US every year. Tens of thousands of injuries. Mass shootings on a weekly basis.



It's nowhere close to anything like that in countries which aren't in a state of war. Including Australia. Gun control appears to work where peole are sane.

Break it down for me. Index the populations per capita to the death rates according to various premature expiration's.



HERE in Australia, our gun control policy has done virtually NOTHING to stop gun deaths since Port Arthur. It has however portrayed those who've used guns to defend themselves and later got off in an unfocused light. Australians don't have the stomach for self defense these days, as a whole. Australians view guns like some sacred shovel which only government can subcontract out to jackbooted thugs these days.



I spoke of lily wristed traditional Australians.



I didn't speak of Australian immigrants. They've come from everywhere over the last 4-5 decades and they've never believed in anything our bullshit Aussie government has ever promised, and rightly so. After Port Arthur, most guns got buried. The rest got turned in for a fourth or fifth of their value.



Those hundreds of thousands of firearms still haven't fired any real shots since. Immigrants and true blue Aussies don't want to fire them.



..but they exist.

[Bricktop]

8 law abiding people prevented from defending themselves against 1 person who didn't abide by the law so some people call for more laws to curb what the non law abiding type shouldn't continue to do?  



How demented is that?



Are we livestock in the West or what?  :2r4ml1j_th:

Well, you may be...on the other hand, here goes the gun nut lobby, again blaming the fact that there are not enough guns.



So, are YOU advocating that everyone should own a firearm?

[Frood]

8 law abiding people prevented from defending themselves against 1 person who didn't abide by the law so some people call for more laws to curb what the non law abiding type shouldn't continue to do?  



How demented is that?



Are we livestock in the West or what?  :2r4ml1j_th:

Well, you may be...on the other hand, here goes the gun nut lobby, again blaming the fact that there are not enough guns.



So, are YOU advocating that everyone should own a firearm?

I'm simply pointing out that no government or government official, past or present, can guarantee personal safety by disarming or criminalizing law abiding or law abiding intentioned peoples because it makes their slack arsed jobs easier, despite what still happens (bans or not).



It governments and their little chest beating lackeys are so afraid of people preserving their own lives while they wait for a possible police response, maybe such government cock blowing pieces are shreds of streaky pelican shit on scarecrow burlap shoulders.



Are you advocating that people phone 000 and wait for a response or much quicker death?



Coward much?

[Bricktop]

Ignoring your puerility, I ask, again...are you thus advocating that everyone should bear arms?

[Frood]

Are you a mindless drone fixated on only hearing what you desire or is that just a sign of your late age?

[RW]

Do you know how rare it is for a person to use a gun for self defence?  Stuff like this happens without warning and takes all but seconds to be fatal.

Any idea why that is?

I believe I stated a reason in my previous post.



You can't gun fight your way to safety.  It's a false sense of security.

Really, who taught you that tripe?



I'll tell you what, you can remain unarmed and God forbid if you get attacked, by an armed assailant, let me know how you made it to "safety". If I don't get an answer, I'll just assume whatever strategy you employed didn't work.



I think you are talking to the wrong person on this.

Tell me Wulf, if an armed assailant opens fire on you during a parade giving you mere seconds to react, are you going to live?



Like the statistics say - most people who are shot don't even get the chance to draw their guns for "self defence".

[RW]

8 law abiding people prevented from defending themselves against 1 person who didn't abide by the law so some people call for more laws to curb what the non law abiding type shouldn't continue to do?  



How demented is that?



Are we livestock in the West or what?  :2r4ml1j_th:

Well, you may be...on the other hand, here goes the gun nut lobby, again blaming the fact that there are not enough guns.



So, are YOU advocating that everyone should own a firearm?

I'm simply pointing out that no government or government official, past or present, can guarantee personal safety by disarming or criminalizing law abiding or law abiding intentioned peoples because it makes their slack arsed jobs easier, despite what still happens (bans or not).



It governments and their little chest beating lackeys are so afraid of people preserving their own lives while they wait for a possible police response, maybe such government cock blowing pieces are shreds of streaky pelican shit on scarecrow burlap shoulders.



Are you advocating that people phone 000 and wait for a response or much quicker death?



Coward much?

The government can't guarantee safety?  No fricken way!  



Thanks for the fly by Captain Obvious.

[Frood]

:001_rolleyes:



No, thank you Princess Pseudo Socialism-lite.

[RW]

Woot!  I never get called princess :)

[Frood]

Something shamefully dies in someone every single day. :)

[Bricktop]

Are you a mindless drone fixated on only hearing what you desire or is that just a sign of your late age?

Perhaps, rather than regale us with your schoolyard level debating technique and penchant for personal abuse in lieu of reason, you may wish to address the question.



As to your implication of my fortitude, I'll treat that with the contempt it deserves...particularly when it is expectorated by someone who feels compelled to disguise their voice in a Skype chat.