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There is no political right in Canada and America

Started by Gaon, March 07, 2019, 11:46:40 PM

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Wazzzup

Gaon a question of you don't mind--in Israel, do leftist party members  play the race card/bigotry card a lot?  and what about the Israeli media, is it biased strongly to the left?



IMO These are the two biggest obstacles the right has in the US

Gaon

And it's not just on the immigration and demographics side that pm Netanyahu has fundamentally changed Israel. As the Democrats plan large expansions of the American government, Netanyahu's government has moved in the opposite direction.



n 2004, then finance minister Benjamin Netanyahu started the revival of the Israeli economy. During that time, as in any democracy a number of voices were raised against his aggressive free-market push and economic reforms. Some said that Netanyahu would not be able to change the mindset of those who believed that the government should solve their problems, not the market. Today in 2018 the results of his tough decisions and systematic reforms are quite visible. The current status of the Israeli economy, its diplomatic leverage and growing friendly links around the world are the cumulative results of the Netanyahu era, the most transformative phase of the Israeli economy. The way the Israeli prime minister has shaped the circumstances of his country is an inspiration for others.



In a recent interview at the Economic Club of Washington, Netanyahu said that he wants to be remembered "as the defender of Israel and the liberator of its economy."



When Netanyahu took charge as prime minister, Israel had enormous conceptual and technological assets, but there was a strong socialist influence in the economy too. The status of the public/private sector, as Netanyahu used to describe it in his popular "Fat Man/Thin Man" example, was that the public sector had become a fat man resting on a thin man's back (the private sector). Netanyahu, a true advocate of the free market economy, started a culture of continuous reforms to develop an environment in which private sector players can thrive.



In his first term as prime minister, he introduced a courageous plan to overhaul the Israeli economy. He reduced the size of the public sector, controlled government spending, cut tax rates and streamlined the taxation system, privatized major stateowned industries including banks, oil refineries, the national airline and Zim Integrated Shipping Services, reformed the pension and welfare system, and much more.



Netanyahu's quest for economic reform has not yet stopped: in December 2013, the Knesset passed the Law for Promotion of Competition and Reduction of Concentration, to increase competitiveness in the Israeli economy. The same year, Netanyahu also began a campaign of port privatization to increase Israel's exports. In July 2013, he issued tenders for the construction of private ports in Haifa and Ashdod. During Netanyahu's tenure as prime minister, Israel has witnessed a major privatization push, infrastructure reforms, agricultural reforms and reforms in the financial sector, too.



From the beginning, all of his key reforms have been aimed at curbing excess bureaucracy and regulations to ease the burden on industry.



Today Israel is one of the most technologically advanced economies in the world.



Israel, which once had a number of government- and union-controlled companies, is now the Startup Nation and Innovation Nation; a huge change, for which Netanyahu can take much of the credit.



He visualized the future market transitions accurately and much earlier than others and it is the result of his visionary approach that today, when some of the big economies of the world are struggling to foster an innovation ecosystem, Israel is leading.



A careful observation of Israel's status reflects that over the years, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has improved Israel's global standing and strategic position remarkably. Today, in all global platforms Netanyahu endorses Israel's high-tech sector and next-gen capabilities in digital health, smart mobility, agri-tech, watertech and cyber. When he names individual startups in his speeches, a generation of young and innovative Israeli minds of Israel get inspired.

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-Netanyahu-era-and-the-transformation-of-the-Israeli-economy-559017">https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-Netan ... omy-559017">https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-Netanyahu-era-and-the-transformation-of-the-Israeli-economy-559017



Netanyahu truly is the defender of Israel and the liberator of its economy. There's no movement like his anywhere in North America. Trump is like a 1990's Democrat. Not the right wing boldness of Netanyahu's Likud.
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Gaon

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Gaon a question of you don't mind--in Israel, do leftist party members  play the race card/bigotry card a lot?  and what about the Israeli media, is it biased strongly to the left?



IMO These are the two biggest obstacles the right has in the US

The Leftist parties routinely throw accusations of racism against the rightist parties.  



Haaretz is la leftist rag that encourages finger pointing. The media is more balanced in Israel. And baseless accusations are not career enders like in America.
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Gaon

As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.
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Anonymous

Quote from: "Gaon"As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.

You must mean Reform..



You did your homework Gaon.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

cc

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Quote from: "Gaon"As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.

You must mean Reform..



You did your homework Gaon.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

Yes. The Reform party was the only significant  "party of the populous" we have ever had
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"
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Quote from: "Gaon"As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.

You must mean Reform..



You did your homework Gaon.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

Yes. The Reform party was the only significant  "party of the populous" we have ever had

They had a significant impact on Canada twenty five years ago..



It's been said that the Liberal party only became serious about deficit reduction because Reform held their feet to the fire.

Gaon

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gaon"As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.

You must mean Reform..



You did your homework Gaon.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

I searched to see if Canada ever had an actual political spectrum.
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Gaon

Israel has a left shouting the R word, but it is not as effective as it is here in shutting down free speech.
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Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"
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Quote from: "Gaon"As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.

You must mean Reform..



You did your homework Gaon.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

Yes. The Reform party was the only significant  "party of the populous" we have ever had

Some things I liked about Reform and some I did not. They were better than the three prog options we have today.

Anonymous

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Quote from: "Gaon"As I understand it, there used to be a political right in North America. The Republicans and a defunct Canadian party had populist wings. The American Democratic Party and the Canadian Liberal Party used to allow diversity of viewpoints, but neither do now. All political choice in North America is gone now. Left wing fascism is here to stay.

You must mean Reform..



You did your homework Gaon.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

Yes. The Reform party was the only significant  "party of the populous" we have ever had

Some things I liked about Reform and some I did not. They were better than the three prog options we have today.

Everybody thought the red Tory PC side would disappear when they merged with the larger Reform side. The red Tory anti populist PC agenda emerged victorious.

JOE

Quote from: "Gaon"I follow Israeli politics more than Canadian and American politics. Israel has a real and vibrant right wing. This is something that is lacking in North America. There is no political spectrum on this continent and it makes politics boring to observe. Trump would be Likud lite in Israel. Andrew Scheer would be Kulanu.


Well for a country which is supposedly 'liberal' or 'left wing' the USA sure has a lotta of its own people locked away on prison. America has become the world's jailet with more women in its prosons than india, Chia & Russia combined. Its incarceration rate is the highest in the world.



That doesn't seem like a very free or 'liberal' nation ta me.

Anonymous

Quote from: "JOE"
Quote from: "Gaon"I follow Israeli politics more than Canadian and American politics. Israel has a real and vibrant right wing. This is something that is lacking in North America. There is no political spectrum on this continent and it makes politics boring to observe. Trump would be Likud lite in Israel. Andrew Scheer would be Kulanu.


Well for a country which is supposedly 'liberal' or 'left wing' the USA sure has a lotta of its own people locked away on prison. America has become the world' ier woth more women in its prosons than india, Chia & Russia combined. Its incarceration rate is the highest in the world.



That doesn't seem like a very free or 'liberal' nation ta me.

Incarceration is not a right or left issue like defunding sanctuary cities.



A brief search indicated But after decades of explosive growth, there are signs that the country is turning the corner on mass incarceration.

The prison population decreased in 2016 for the third straight year, and prison reform, in general, is one of the rare issues with bipartisan support on Capitol Hill and in the White House.



Most people incarcerated in the USA are held at the state and local level, so federal reform can only change so much.



I also found this.



America's incarceration rate is at a two-decade low

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/02/americas-incarceration-rate-is-at-a-two-decade-low/">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ecade-low/">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/02/americas-incarceration-rate-is-at-a-two-decade-low/

JOE

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "JOE"
Quote from: "Gaon"I follow Israeli politics more than Canadian and American politics. Israel has a real and vibrant right wing. This is something that is lacking in North America. There is no political spectrum on this continent and it makes politics boring to observe. Trump would be Likud lite in Israel. Andrew Scheer would be Kulanu.


Well for a country which is supposedly 'liberal' or 'left wing' the USA sure has a lotta of its own people locked away on prison. America has become the world' ier woth more women in its prosons than india, Chia & Russia combined. Its incarceration rate is the highest in the world.



That doesn't seem like a very free or 'liberal' nation ta me.

Incarceration is not a right or left issue like defunding sanctuary cities.



A brief search indicated But after decades of explosive growth, there are signs that the country is turning the corner on mass incarceration.

The prison population decreased in 2016 for the third straight year, and prison reform, in general, is one of the rare issues with bipartisan support on Capitol Hill and in the White House.



Most people incarcerated in the USA are held at the state and local level, so federal reform can only change so much.



I also found this.



America's incarceration rate is at a two-decade low

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/02/americas-incarceration-rate-is-at-a-two-decade-low/">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ecade-low/">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/02/americas-incarceration-rate-is-at-a-two-decade-low/


Guess it doesn't help those much already incarcerated



https://prospect.org/sites/default/files/incarceration_rate_oecd_countries.jpg">



Anyways America likes to publicize an image that it is very progressive open and liberal, but the stats/facts tell a much different story.



Its a very draconian purile & right wing nation Fashionista

Anonymous

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Incarceration is not a right or left issue like defunding sanctuary cities.



A brief search indicated But after decades of explosive growth, there are signs that the country is turning the corner on mass incarceration.

The prison population decreased in 2016 for the third straight year, and prison reform, in general, is one of the rare issues with bipartisan support on Capitol Hill and in the White House.



Most people incarcerated in the USA are held at the state and local level, so federal reform can only change so much.



I also found this.



America's incarceration rate is at a two-decade low

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/02/americas-incarceration-rate-is-at-a-two-decade-low/">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ecade-low/">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/02/americas-incarceration-rate-is-at-a-two-decade-low/

Using the virgin's failed logic, New Zealand is to the right of Hungary and Tukey. And Sweden is to the right of Japan and India. :crazy:



Anyway, the entire penal system is reliant on unionized labour. A traditional base of the left.