Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks

[caskur]

Every type of death is lower in Australia atm... and drink related injuries apparently... in other words, men aren't brawling at pubs... road accidents are wayyy down too.

[Anonymous]

Every type of death is lower in Australia atm

I think Shen Li's point is that lockdowns cause non COVID deaths to rise and we have seen data to corroborate that from the North America and Europe.

[caskur]

Every type of death is lower in Australia atm

I think Shen Li's point is that lockdowns cause non COVID deaths to rise and we have seen data to corroborate that from the North America and Europe.

Fake data...



sorry, not interested.

[Anonymous]

Every type of death is lower in Australia atm

I think Shen Li's point is that lockdowns cause non COVID deaths to rise and we have seen data to corroborate that from the North America and Europe.

Fake data...



sorry, not interested.

Economic depression is not good for people's health. Not to mention the fact that serious illnesses are not being operated on or treated.



It is a trade off. We slow the number of people using emergency rooms for COVID, but we increase death and illness for non COVID related causes.



the rise of non-Covid deaths

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/non-covid-deaths-are-also-surging">https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/non ... so-surging">https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/non-covid-deaths-are-also-surging



Why are non-COVID related deaths on the rise?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-are-non-covid-related-deaths-on-the-rise/">https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-a ... -the-rise/">https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-are-non-covid-related-deaths-on-the-rise/



Alarm sounded over rise in non-coronavirus deaths in Scotland

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/alarm-sounded-over-rise-in-non-coronavirus-deaths-in-scotland">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... n-scotland">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/alarm-sounded-over-rise-in-non-coronavirus-deaths-in-scotland

[cc]

I think Shen Li's point is that lockdowns cause non COVID deaths to rise and we have seen data to corroborate that from the North America and Europe.

I have never seen data that even indicates that



I do see that lock-downs can play a role in some deaths by other means



Edit - OOPS, looks like Seoul covered it while I was typing

[caskur]

People are just going to write dirges and dirges and the public as per usual will be drowned under a Tsunami off drivel.

[Gaon]

Every type of death is lower in Australia atm

I think Shen Li's point is that lockdowns cause non COVID deaths to rise and we have seen data to corroborate that from the North America and Europe.

Fake data...



sorry, not interested.

Economic depression is not good for people's health. Not to mention the fact that serious illnesses are not being operated on or treated.



It is a trade off. We slow the number of people using emergency rooms for COVID, but we increase death and illness for non COVID related causes.



the rise of non-Covid deaths

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/non-covid-deaths-are-also-surging">https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/non ... so-surging">https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/non-covid-deaths-are-also-surging



Why are non-COVID related deaths on the rise?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-are-non-covid-related-deaths-on-the-rise/">https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-a ... -the-rise/">https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-are-non-covid-related-deaths-on-the-rise/



Alarm sounded over rise in non-coronavirus deaths in Scotland

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/alarm-sounded-over-rise-in-non-coronavirus-deaths-in-scotland">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... n-scotland">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/alarm-sounded-over-rise-in-non-coronavirus-deaths-in-scotland

This is why total economic lockdowns is not a solution. It only makes a bad situation worse. And the pain it causes will linger for years.

[caskur]

Well crime is down 40% where I live



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/ ... a/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410



And the pain will not go on for years. In some countries it will get back slower but it will go back to normal within 2 years....



Would you rather we have the Americans store bodies in unrefrigerated trucks like the news is reporting as I type?

[Gaon]

Well crime is down 40% where I live



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/ ... a/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410



And the pain will not go on for years. In some countries it will get back slower but it will go back to normal within 2 years....



Would you rather we have the Americans store bodies in unrefrigerated trucks like the news is reporting as I type?

Low crime rates are the only positive. But, domestic violence is rising as a result of lockdowns.



A New Covid-19 Crisis: Domestic Abuse Rises Worldwide

Movement restrictions aimed to stop the spread of the coronavirus making violence worse

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-domestic-violence.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/worl ... lence.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-domestic-violence.html



Are all of those deaths due to coronavirus or are they result of all the deaths caused by the lockdowns. I will give you an example from British Columbia where I live. A colleague of mine's wife was scheduled for a hysterectomy, but the government here postponed it when they prioritized hospital care for the coronavirus. Hopefully, it is not spreading. People have died of heart attacks and strokes because they couldn't see their doctors when their symptoms were mild. Cancer spreads, caridiovascular disease symptoms go unchecked, joint replacement surgeries cancelled and suicides soar. Lockdowns cost lives.

[cc]

I'mnot byin Swedens method yet



Sweden today same as day before and  day before - Varies between 2 - 3 X the new cases and new deaths / day as Canada per x # of population

[Anonymous]

Sweden today same as day before and  day before



Around  2 - 3 X the new cases and new deaths / day as Canada per x # of population

It's about the same as Ireland I believe.

[cc]

True - and Ireland has slightly less that 1/2 the population



Actually, Ireland has been a disaster # of cases, but ties Sweden for deaths  / x# population



Remember .. it started in western Europe and the Sweden was about the last to start

[Anonymous]

True - and Ireland has slightly less that 1/2 the population



Actually, Ireland has been a disaster # of cases, but ties Sweden for deaths  / x# population



Remember .. it started in western Europe and the Sweden was about the last to start

By the time we have a vaccine or at least a readily available treatment, Sweden will come out of this with less damage than most of it's European neighbours. As I said, time will tell how the Swedish approach compares to the rest of the Western world.

[cc]

Well, they will gain greatly on their promised and failing prog pensions and  assistance commitments



They sure are killing off their elderly successfully .. which I'm convinced is part of their equation

[caskur]

Well crime is down 40% where I live



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/ ... a/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410



And the pain will not go on for years. In some countries it will get back slower but it will go back to normal within 2 years....



Would you rather we have the Americans store bodies in unrefrigerated trucks like the news is reporting as I type?

Low crime rates are the only positive. But, domestic violence is rising as a result of lockdowns.



A New Covid-19 Crisis: Domestic Abuse Rises Worldwide

Movement restrictions aimed to stop the spread of the coronavirus making violence worse

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-domestic-violence.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/worl ... lence.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-domestic-violence.html



Are all of those deaths due to coronavirus or are they result of all the deaths caused by the lockdowns. I will give you an example from British Columbia where I live. A colleague of mine's wife was scheduled for a hysterectomy, but the government here postponed it when they prioritized hospital care for the coronavirus. Hopefully, it is not spreading. People have died of heart attacks and strokes because they couldn't see their doctors when their symptoms were mild. Cancer spreads, caridiovascular disease symptoms go unchecked, joint replacement surgeries cancelled and suicides soar. Lockdowns cost lives.

It appears you're really complaining about a badly run lockdown...



When you say "Hopefully, it is not spreading." well its sad to say it is spreading and at an alarming rate...



And no domestic violence excuse is going to outweigh the front liners plight who need 1000% support from us.