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Changing Politics & Economics of Western Countries vs The Pariah

Started by cc, May 02, 2020, 11:27:12 PM

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Quote from: cc post_id=363511 time=1590453319 user_id=88
Stopping people from taking home valuable info to a known and proven info predator is not even close to illegal nor is it remotely discriminatory



Further, countries all determine who gets student visas & what areas of study they can get them for. Even lame Canada can and does now.



This will sort itself out as we all start to deal with China for what it is. Back in the days of Cold War that was a given .. and China vs the rest of the world is moving us into exactly that situation ... it being a legal situation I'm referring to .. De facto, it already is.

There will be a legal challenge.

cc

No country has to grant any student visas as a matter of fact, much less regulate them.



!000s of workers and students are refused every year by every first world  country without a blip on the screen



They are voluntary gifts, not obligations
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

OOPS!! Another day, another loss for the Pariah  - Canada's Military Wants Trudeau To Ban Huawei From 5G Networks: Report



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Senior officials including Canada's top soldier have told the government they believe allowing the Chinese company a role in 5G would threaten national security.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trudeau-china.png">China Sees Canada As A "Vassal State" Of The US It Can Bully Around: Former Ambassador



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"China sees Canada as a vassal state of the United States, as a minor country it can push around and part of their great anger at the Meng Wanzhou process and the fact that she's facing extradition hearings is China's outraged that a country as small as Canada would dare to do this."



China sees Canada as a "minor country" it can bully to get its way, suggested former Canadian ambassador to China David Mulroney.



Mulroney told Global News on Sunday that China is outraged that a country it views as a "vassal state of the United States" would dare to proceed with extradition hearings against Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou.



"We're seeing the real China in all of this," said Mulroney.



"China sees Canada as a vassal state of the United States, as a minor country it can push around and part of their great anger at the Meng Wanzhou process and the fact that she's facing extradition hearings is China's outraged that a country as small as Canada would dare to do this."



According to recent reports, Canada's current ambassador to China, Dominic Barton, has accused the communist regime of alienating its international partners through increasingly threatening and aggressive rhetoric.



During a closed-door meeting recounted to reporters, Barton was alleged to have called for a "rigorous review" of the WHO's handling of the coronavirus and said that China is risking undermining its international influence.



"Canada's voice will be heard loudly," Barton reportedly said during the meeting.



Canada's Huawei saga is set to break a major impasse this week as BC Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes announced she will deliver her ruling on Meng's defence Wednesday.



US authorities are seeking to have Meng extradited to the US over a number of bank and wire fraud charges related to Huawei's alleged dealings with Iran, contravening American sanctions.



In retaliation for Meng's arrest in 2018, China unlawfully detained Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor. The pair have been held in Chinese prisons for nearly two years and are currently being denied consular visits under the pretense of the coronavirus pandemic.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=363513 time=1590453855 user_id=88
No country has to grant any student visas as a matter of fact, much less regulate them.



!000s of workers and students are refused every year by every first world  country without a blip on the screen



They are voluntary gifts, not obligations


But, a ban by nation..



This will be labelled as a second Chinese Exclusion Act.

cc

Continuing to help China's strength by training their minions in certain areas (science, engineering etc.)  has been and  if continued would be  the ultimate folly .. suicidal



So much is at stake that we are now way past PC as an issue





https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-pay-bring-china-supply-chains-home-kudlow">US will pay for companies to bring supply chains home from China: Kudlow



COVID-19 has highlighted the problem of relying too heavily on one country for production



The Trump administration is willing to pay for U.S. companies to uproot their supply chains and bring them home from China, according to the president's top economic adviser.



The COVID-19 pandemic has caused supply chain disruptions and elevated concerns the U.S. has become too reliant on production in Asia, and specifically China, for goods and key technologies.



... "We welcome any Americans companies in Hong Kong or China mainland, we will do what we can for full expensing and pay the cost of moving if they return their supply chains and their production to the United States," chief White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow told FOX Business' Stuart Varney on Tuesday.



Tensions between the U.S. and China have flared in recent weeks after the Chinese government's initial handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and were further strained after Beijing last week moved to tighten its grip on Hong Kong by introducing a national security bill that would bypass the city's legislature, effectively ending the "one country, two systems" principle used to govern the city.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

Support for China Falls Dramatically in European, Indian Polls



A soon to be released international survey finds that when the COVID-19 virus finally burns itself out its biggest victim may be the very country that launched the pandemic —China.



Bluster, bullying, and propaganda launched by China's leadership to subdue international criticism of their handling of COVID-19 is only stoking the anger among nations as diverse as the U.K., Germany and India, according to data revealed during a comprehensive poll conducted by the firm McLaughlin & Associates.



They may not embrace the White House on any given issue but when it comes to China, a large and significant number of those polled in this global COVID-19 survey would now support economic sanctions, confronting China's strategy to achieve global dominance by controlling worldwide access to technology, pharmaceuticals, manufacturing, and more.



What can only be described as a diplomatic earthquake is the emerging political fault line along China's southern border with India.



The McLaughlin poll found that a majority of voters in the world's largest democracy, some 54%, believe China hid key COVID-19 details, resulting in more damage by the pandemic, and 78% believe China knowingly kept data from the international community.



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I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=363576 time=1590517965 user_id=88
Continuing to help China's strength by training their minions in certain areas (science, engineering etc.)  has been and  if continued would be  the ultimate folly .. suicidal



So much is at stake that we are now way past PC as an issue





US will pay for companies to bring supply chains home from China]



COVID-19 has highlighted the problem of relying too heavily on one country for production



The Trump administration is willing to pay for U.S. companies to uproot their supply chains and bring them home from China, according to the president's top economic adviser.



The COVID-19 pandemic has caused supply chain disruptions and elevated concerns the U.S. has become too reliant on production in Asia, and specifically China, for goods and key technologies.



... "We welcome any Americans companies in Hong Kong or China mainland, we will do what we can for full expensing and pay the cost of moving if they return their supply chains and their production to the United States," chief White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow told FOX Business' Stuart Varney on Tuesday.



Tensions between the U.S. and China have flared in recent weeks after the Chinese government's initial handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and were further strained after Beijing last week moved to tighten its grip on Hong Kong by introducing a national security bill that would bypass the city's legislature, effectively ending the "one country, two systems" principle used to govern the city.

We have a federal government that raised the carbon tax in the midst of the worst economic downturn in ninety years..



They're so ideological they don't care what is at stake.

cc

Putting everything all together, our Fed Govt. is not governing



He is in some world all of his own, but governing in the interests of his people is not anywhere in his world
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=363896 time=1590633499 user_id=88
Putting everything all together, our Fed Govt. is not governing



He is in some world all of his own, but governing in the interests of his people is not anywhere in his world

Most definitely cc.

cc

Quote from: Fashionista post_id=363899 time=1590633970 user_id=3254
Quote from: cc post_id=363896 time=1590633499 user_id=88
Putting everything all together, our Fed Govt. is not governing



He is in some world all of his own, but governing in the interests of his people is not anywhere in his world

Most definitely cc.

And when we need leader"ship" the most, we don't even have a "rowboat"
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=363902 time=1590634498 user_id=88
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=363899 time=1590633970 user_id=3254
Quote from: cc post_id=363896 time=1590633499 user_id=88
Putting everything all together, our Fed Govt. is not governing



He is in some world all of his own, but governing in the interests of his people is not anywhere in his world

Most definitely cc.

And when we need leader"ship" the most, we don't even have a "rowboat"

He is not even an oar.

Anonymous

India and China are building up troops and and armaments along one section of their disputed border.

Anonymous

This article is from economist Peter Morici.



Disengaging from China



In the wake of COVID-19, Americans have developed an increasingly negative view of China, and the policy of integrating it into the western commercial system to promote democratic reforms has been discredited.



After President Xi became head of the Chinese Communist Party in 2012, he set a course for China to offer a rival model of multilateralism, rather than integrate into the U. S.- led liberal world order, and imposed tighter controls on speech, the internet and ultimately his social credit system. The collapse of the Soviet Union became his example of the perils of losing ideological sway over the population.



In the early weeks of the COVID-19 crisis, the apparent co-operation of WHO Director General Adhanom and bad advice from Health and Human Services Secretary Azar may have encouraged President Donald Trump — and by derivation Governor Cuomo — to initially play down the threat. And since, Chinese leaders have hardly been forthcoming in admitting their lack of transparency in letting a mainland epidemic become a pandemic — inflicting great harm on western economies.



China's attempts to use money and material to extend its global influence illustrate President Xi is happy to turn the crisis into his opportunity for greater global influence and his contempt for democratic institutions. He is tightening control in Hong Kong and tolerating a wave of domestic racism and xenophobia.



Africans living in China have been characterized as animals on social media and rounded up for quarantine even when they show no signs of COVID-19. A restaurant in Shenyang displayed a banner "Celebrating the epidemic in the United States and wishing coronavirus a nice trip to Japan." Given Beijing tightly censors the internet and public speech, its tolerance of rancid conduct can be seen as an expression of CCP dogma by estoppel.



The Western Al liance ejected Russia from the G8 for invading the Crimea. Certainly. America could refuse to sit down with China in the G20 and tolerate its continued participation in the WTO, IMF, World Bank and other venues.



We can make clear to Europe and other allies if they value their freedom and our friendship they can no longer profit from business with



Russia and China, do too little for the common defence, and expect the American navy to guarantee their security.



Eleven nuclear aircraft carriers are not enough, and we can't afford more.



Germany orchestrating common European security safeguards to permit Huawei to buildout continental 5G technology and its Nord Stream 2 pipeline would put money in Beijing's and Moscow's pockets, helps finance their military modernization and efforts to corrupt western elections.



America and western Europe must recognize their own shortcomings and misconceptions. China and more autocratic leaning Eastern Europe were generally better able to contain the virus and economic damage with stricter measures.



We must accept that Bluetooth cell phone apps, collecting anonymized data about personal contacts, would be far more efficient and no more an invasion of personal privacy than thousands of trackers now being assembled by New York and other jurisdictions to interrogate those testing positive and folks identified for having recent contact. The misuse of data can be avoided much as iPhone protects personal financial information in its card swipe technology.



Efforts to revive our economies reveal the need to cultivate more personal self- res t raint and financial decency. Large publicly traded companies with adequate liquidity, hotel magnates and richly endowed universities reaching for SBA cash intended for mom and pop businesses smells the decay in civic values that should not be tolerated.



Apart from shunning President Xi and resisting the cynical among us, the Trump administration or its successor must articulate a clear vision of a new multilateralism among western allies and developing nations willing to shoulder the burdens of sustaining human rights and democracy.



Substantial reforms and cooperation that safeguard the integrity of the WHO, WTO, NATO and other economic and security institutions are needed to resolve western squabbles better than bullying with unilateral tariffs, shotgun renegotiation of trade agreements and bellicose boasting.



President Trump has not offered such a vision, but only an alliance of the willing will have the resources to address the menace posed by the Chinese juggernaut.

Anonymous

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=363943 time=1590683386 user_id=114
India and China are building up troops and and armaments along one section of their disputed border.

India is one of China's only neighbours that won't let China bully them.