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China and Taiwan at war soon?

Started by Frood, August 26, 2020, 10:02:46 PM

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Anonymous

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429261 time=1638595516 user_id=61
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=429260 time=1638594935 user_id=56
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If we look back at Chinese history, sometimes China can be very strong during the rise or first 100ish years of a new dynasty, strong when they're supposed to be weak and under developed, weak when they're developed but very corrupted and gets defeated by nomads less than 1% of their population.

The CCP dynasty is only 72 years old. They haven't reached the period of corruption and lack of focus that ended every other dynasty(yet).


There's no doubt that there's no developing country that is moving ahead faster than China, China knows it's not a good idea to offend the US and is smart enough to not fight against them head on, at least for now and seems like they will buy as much time as possible while learning from others including their own mistakes.

They are getting a hell of a lot cockier under Xi.

Zetsu

Quote from: Herman post_id=429262 time=1638595756 user_id=1689
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429261 time=1638595516 user_id=61
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=429260 time=1638594935 user_id=56
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429256 time=1638594345 user_id=61
If we look back at Chinese history, sometimes China can be very strong during the rise or first 100ish years of a new dynasty, strong when they're supposed to be weak and under developed, weak when they're developed but very corrupted and gets defeated by nomads less than 1% of their population.

The CCP dynasty is only 72 years old. They haven't reached the period of corruption and lack of focus that ended every other dynasty(yet).


There's no doubt that there's no developing country that is moving ahead faster than China, China knows it's not a good idea to offend the US and is smart enough to not fight against them head on, at least for now and seems like they will buy as much time as possible while learning from others including their own mistakes.

They are getting a hell of a lot cockier under Xi.


Lol I hope they do and let their guard down.  :laugh:



It seems like war is the only solution and the only way to find out.  ac_unsure
Permanently off his rocker

Anonymous

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429263 time=1638595891 user_id=61
Quote from: Herman post_id=429262 time=1638595756 user_id=1689
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429261 time=1638595516 user_id=61
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=429260 time=1638594935 user_id=56
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429256 time=1638594345 user_id=61
If we look back at Chinese history, sometimes China can be very strong during the rise or first 100ish years of a new dynasty, strong when they're supposed to be weak and under developed, weak when they're developed but very corrupted and gets defeated by nomads less than 1% of their population.

The CCP dynasty is only 72 years old. They haven't reached the period of corruption and lack of focus that ended every other dynasty(yet).


There's no doubt that there's no developing country that is moving ahead faster than China, China knows it's not a good idea to offend the US and is smart enough to not fight against them head on, at least for now and seems like they will buy as much time as possible while learning from others including their own mistakes.

They are getting a hell of a lot cockier under Xi.


Lol I hope they do and let their guard down.  :laugh:



It seems like war is the only solution and the only way to find out.  ac_unsure

Direct confrontation will come eventually. The big question is if India gets involved.

Bricktop

Everybody seems to believe that the Chinese military is on a par with the US and Europe.



It's nowhere close.



Western media is constantly telling us how powerful China's military is, and how advanced their weapons are, and most of it is hype and nonsense. The Chinese military equipment is not on the same level as the western equipment from a qualitative viewpoint. US aircraft are generations ahead of Chinese J20's, the US aircraft carriers outnumber Chinese Soviet era tugboats, and the US nuclear deterrence is years ahead of China's.



Additionally, the US and European military has been battle tested, particularly their air power. China has no equivalent to the B52's, B2's, F22's and F35's or the European Typhoon.



The US Navy is far more powerful than China's, although most of Europe lags behind in naval power.



US surveillance resources have been developed since the 1960's and their ability to target China's main command centres is unrivalled.



And China, for all it's chestbeating and growling, is fully aware that they will be outmatched. If they were feeling froggy, their only hope would be a lack of American and European resolve, but that would be a grave mistake. Despite dottering and flaccid politicians, the military of the west still remains strong and ready.

Zetsu

Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429270 time=1638599963 user_id=1560
Everybody seems to believe that the Chinese military is on a par with the US and Europe.



It's nowhere close.



Western media is constantly telling us how powerful China's military is, and how advanced their weapons are, and most of it is hype and nonsense. The Chinese military equipment is not on the same level as the western equipment from a qualitative viewpoint. US aircraft are generations ahead of Chinese J20's, the US aircraft carriers outnumber Chinese Soviet era tugboats, and the US nuclear deterrence is years ahead of China's.



Additionally, the US and European military has been battle tested, particularly their air power. China has no equivalent to the B52's, B2's, F22's and F35's or the European Typhoon.



The US Navy is far more powerful than China's, although most of Europe lags behind in naval power.



US surveillance resources have been developed since the 1960's and their ability to target China's main command centres is unrivalled.



And China, for all it's chestbeating and growling, is fully aware that they will be outmatched. If they were feeling froggy, their only hope would be a lack of American and European resolve, but that would be a grave mistake. Despite dottering and flaccid politicians, the military of the west still remains strong and ready.


There's no doubt China and her military will be utterly demolished by Western powers again if they pull another boxer rebellion like act, but the question is the US and Europe willing to withstand some losses, considering there's a good chance China will not follow the rule book and use nukes.



And like Herman has mentioned, if India comes into battle, it is well known that China has always feared Indian soldiers during ancient times for their ferocity and physical advantage of being a head taller than China or any Oriental ppl.
Permanently off his rocker

Anonymous

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429273 time=1638631515 user_id=61
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429270 time=1638599963 user_id=1560
Everybody seems to believe that the Chinese military is on a par with the US and Europe.



It's nowhere close.



Western media is constantly telling us how powerful China's military is, and how advanced their weapons are, and most of it is hype and nonsense. The Chinese military equipment is not on the same level as the western equipment from a qualitative viewpoint. US aircraft are generations ahead of Chinese J20's, the US aircraft carriers outnumber Chinese Soviet era tugboats, and the US nuclear deterrence is years ahead of China's.



Additionally, the US and European military has been battle tested, particularly their air power. China has no equivalent to the B52's, B2's, F22's and F35's or the European Typhoon.



The US Navy is far more powerful than China's, although most of Europe lags behind in naval power.



US surveillance resources have been developed since the 1960's and their ability to target China's main command centres is unrivalled.



And China, for all it's chestbeating and growling, is fully aware that they will be outmatched. If they were feeling froggy, their only hope would be a lack of American and European resolve, but that would be a grave mistake. Despite dottering and flaccid politicians, the military of the west still remains strong and ready.


There's no doubt China and her military will be utterly demolished by Western powers again if they pull another boxer rebellion like act, but the question is the US and Europe willing to withstand some losses, considering there's a good chance China will not follow the rule book and use nukes.



And like Herman has mentioned, if India comes into battle, it is well known that China has always feared Indian soldiers during ancient times for their ferocity and physical advantage of being a head taller than China or any Oriental ppl.

The leadership of the CCP is not the inept waning days of the Ching dynasty. There will be no repeat of the Boxer Rebellion.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=429274 time=1638632121 user_id=56
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=429273 time=1638631515 user_id=61
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429270 time=1638599963 user_id=1560
Everybody seems to believe that the Chinese military is on a par with the US and Europe.



It's nowhere close.



Western media is constantly telling us how powerful China's military is, and how advanced their weapons are, and most of it is hype and nonsense. The Chinese military equipment is not on the same level as the western equipment from a qualitative viewpoint. US aircraft are generations ahead of Chinese J20's, the US aircraft carriers outnumber Chinese Soviet era tugboats, and the US nuclear deterrence is years ahead of China's.



Additionally, the US and European military has been battle tested, particularly their air power. China has no equivalent to the B52's, B2's, F22's and F35's or the European Typhoon.



The US Navy is far more powerful than China's, although most of Europe lags behind in naval power.



US surveillance resources have been developed since the 1960's and their ability to target China's main command centres is unrivalled.



And China, for all it's chestbeating and growling, is fully aware that they will be outmatched. If they were feeling froggy, their only hope would be a lack of American and European resolve, but that would be a grave mistake. Despite dottering and flaccid politicians, the military of the west still remains strong and ready.


There's no doubt China and her military will be utterly demolished by Western powers again if they pull another boxer rebellion like act, but the question is the US and Europe willing to withstand some losses, considering there's a good chance China will not follow the rule book and use nukes.



And like Herman has mentioned, if India comes into battle, it is well known that China has always feared Indian soldiers during ancient times for their ferocity and physical advantage of being a head taller than China or any Oriental ppl.

The leadership of the CCP is not the inept waning days of the Ching dynasty. There will be no repeat of the Boxer Rebellion.

I don't know......history repeats itselfm], especially in China.

Anonymous

Nicaragua's government has broken off diplomatic relations with Taiwan and embraced Beijing, declaring "there is only one China in the world."



The Nicaraguan announcement now leaves a little more than a dozen countries that maintain official diplomatic relations with self-ruled Taiwan, including fellow Central American nations Honduras and Guatemala.

Anonymous

U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said last week that Chinese air force movements toward Taiwan look like a "rehearsal" for an invasion." It is good that America's military leadership is finally realizing that Xi Jinping is serious when he says he will use force, if necessary, to seize Taiwan.

Anonymous

Do eet.



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bipartisan group of U.S. lawmakers proposed matching bills in the Senate and House of Representatives on Thursday that would require the United States to negotiate the renaming of Taiwan's de facto embassy in Washington as the "Taiwan Representative Office," a move certain to rankle China.



It is currently called the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office (TECRO), using the name of the island's capital city.



Should the measures become law, any change in the office's name could provide cover to smaller countries to take similar steps to boost engagement with Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory.

Anonymous

Quote from: Herman post_id=437753 time=1643939839 user_id=1689
Do eet.



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bipartisan group of U.S. lawmakers proposed matching bills in the Senate and House of Representatives on Thursday that would require the United States to negotiate the renaming of Taiwan's de facto embassy in Washington as the "Taiwan Representative Office," a move certain to rankle China.



It is currently called the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office (TECRO), using the name of the island's capital city.



Should the measures become law, any change in the office's name could provide cover to smaller countries to take similar steps to boost engagement with Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory.

I don't think it will happen.

Anonymous

China and Russia, at a meeting of their leaders hours before the Winter Olympics officially opened, backed each other over standoffs on Ukraine and Taiwan with a promise to collaborate more against the West.

 :negative:

Anonymous

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China and Russia, at a meeting of their leaders hours before the Winter Olympics officially opened, backed each other over standoffs on Ukraine and Taiwan with a promise to collaborate more against the West.

 :negative:

Their 'no limits' partnership is a strategic marriage of convenience.

Gaon

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China and Russia, at a meeting of their leaders hours before the Winter Olympics officially opened, backed each other over standoffs on Ukraine and Taiwan with a promise to collaborate more against the West.

 :negative:

Their 'no limits' partnership is a strategic marriage of convenience.

Russia really needs an ally. China is a good one to have.
The Russian Rock It

Anonymous

Quote from: Gaon post_id=438003 time=1644119082 user_id=3170
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=437979 time=1644108960 user_id=2015
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=437900 time=1644035772 user_id=3254
China and Russia, at a meeting of their leaders hours before the Winter Olympics officially opened, backed each other over standoffs on Ukraine and Taiwan with a promise to collaborate more against the West.

 :negative:

Their 'no limits' partnership is a strategic marriage of convenience.

Russia really needs an ally. China is a good one to have.

Russia has never been sympathetic to Taiwan's situation.