The grey area of consent

[shin]

Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.

[RW]

I don't see a grey area in terms of consent.  One who is intoxicated cannot give consent.



The thing that bakes my noodle is if they both agree while drunk, did they legally rape each other?

[Renee]

Oh please, if I went by that, I guess I was raped dozens of times over the course of my single life.



Not to be mean or anything but I think you almost have to be half in the bag just to do it with most of the guys you meet in bars or clubs.

[shin]

I don't see a grey area in terms of consent.  One who is intoxicated cannot give consent.



The thing that bakes my noodle is if they both agree while drunk, did they legally rape each other?

For me, it seems like an automatic scapegoat that would assumedly go along with ingesting any quantity of alcohol, and removes any implied guilt as if it were impossible to make sound judgement while intoxicated.



I think what the sign is implying more than "no consent can be given while drunk" is "what counts as validation of consent among otherwise strangers who happen to get naked and touch each other." I doubt they went through the various possibilities and made a strict definition of what constitutes an official sexual encounter.

[shin]

Oh please, if I went by that, I guess I was raped dozens of times over the course of my single life.



Not to be mean or anything but I think you almost have to be half in the bag just to do it with most of the guys you meet in bars or clubs.

I don't think that's mean. Most bars and clubs bring out the lowest common denominator.

[@realAzhyaAryola]

Consenting to get drunk is consenting to dive low.

[Anonymous]

Oh please, if I went by that, I guess I was raped dozens of times over the course of my single life.



Not to be mean or anything but I think you almost have to be half in the bag just to do it with most of the guys you meet in bars or clubs.

Hey, that was a long time ago and I was not so ugly then.



I guess I have been guilty of rape dozens of times if I went by that.

[Frood]

They both should be charged with rape if alcohol consumption along with sex is not legitimate consent even when both parties equally consented. It's sexist otherwise.



Feminism has really gone off the rails.

[Anonymous]

They both should be charged with rape if alcohol consumption along with sex is not legitimate consent even when both parties equally consented. It's sexist otherwise.



Feminism has really gone off the rails.

Right on brother. Feminism is off the rails.

[Frood]

No further comment, Herman.

[Frood]

It will swing back but we need to challenge this on a legal level.

Do you think that's likely though?



There is still no overall consensus on what constitutes statutory rape in many localities. Rulings on gender and age gaps mean that dating someone for 2 years and then turning 18 could or could not be construed as rape regardless of the consenting duo's consent. Sometimes it even comes down to gender when the underage couple are of the same age. Some places are very liberal in consent. Others are draconian.



There's too many solicitors and politicians making a living off the consent issue by playing up supposed ethics dilemmas and the fears of communities. Then there are the militant feminists, and that's a whole different kettle of rancid fish fannies.

[RW]

I think I don't want to talk to a troll who is a guy pretending to be a chick on this board any more.

[Frood]

It will swing back but we need to challenge this on a legal level.

Do you think that's likely though?



There is still no overall consensus on what constitutes statutory rape in many localities. Rulings on gender and age gaps mean that dating someone for 2 years and then turning 18 could or could not be construed as rape regardless of the consenting duo's consent. Sometimes it even comes down to gender when the underage couple are of the same age. Some places are very liberal in consent. Others are draconian.



There's too many solicitors and politicians making a living off the consent issue by playing up supposed ethics dilemmas and the fears of communities. Then there are the militant feminists, and that's a whole different kettle of rancid fish fannies.

I think I don't want to talk to a troll who is a guy pretending to be a chick on this board any more.

Fair enough if that's what you think. I can't force you to engage a completely valid and earnest point I've made because you have suspicions about my gender and or reason to participate here.

[RW]

Yes I know I don't want to talk to trolls.

[Frood]

Well then could you please follow through with your accusation and stop talking to me. It's derailing an otherwise fruitful topic of discussion about gender inequality. Thank you.