Driverless cars - yea or nay

[easter bunny]

GM ignition switch, BP oil spill, MMA railway disaster, Volkswagon emission cheat...

How did those mistakes profit their companies you fucking idiot? MMA is toast. BP spent billions cleaning up, Volksawgen is teertering on collapse over something that had nothing to do with safety and GM had an expensive recall. How did not following safety rules boost share prices or improve their bottom line fucking dunce.



The3 only companies that do not have to pay for safety mistakes are public owned  companies.

Shen Li, what is your problem?

 

I like easter bunny very much..



He's a very nice man and a great poster, but you talk to him like you do Odinson..



And he's not the first person you have chased away with vulgar personal attacks..



Thanks for nothing.

 

Don't worry Fash. It doesn't faze me. I know what to expect when I push Shen's hot buttons.  

I am getting tired of Shen Li flying off the handle at good posters like you easter bunny..



I have your back and I think RW does too.

Shen is a mainland apparatchik. A Mao loving cadre member.

She has a bit of a temper. =)))

[Anonymous]

She has a bit of a temper. =)))

A bit easter bunny?



You are a gentleman.

[easter bunny]

She has a bit of a temper. =)))

A bit easter bunny?



You are a gentleman.

Thank you!  

[Anonymous]

Shen is a mainland apparatchik. A Mao loving cadre member.

Me a commie/socialist? I would sell every fucking SOE in China if it wasn't for the fact that most aren't worth spit.

[RW]

That's ONE industry.  The subject is CARS.

I thought our industrial expert said he doesn't trust any industry because safety hurts their bottom line(the opposite is true, but don't waste ur breath on occutards). Are cars today safer or more dangerous?  They are inherently safer. Does violating or ignoring safety problems good for companies? Fuck no, in extreme cases it can damn near put them under, Do new technologies sometimes have kinks to be ironed out? Yes, they do which is why I wouldn't touch driverless technology for some time yet.

So I guess no one ever cuts corners when it comes to safety then huh?  



We actually see it a lot in the food processing industry if you want a home grown example.  An American company branded Blue Bell had listeria in one of its plants (yes, KNEW) and they didn't stop pumping out icecream until three people died.  



Factory farms are an issue as they are there to make a profit and it's only after the fact that they get smacked through the courts.  They cut corners because it's cheaper.



Again, I'm not saying safety isn't important to companies but so are profits.

[Anonymous]

Without safety there is no profit. Food safety in Canada and the USA are very good. But we had a listeriosis outbreak at the Maple Leaf plant in Toronto with 57 confirmed cases and 22 deaths. They were able to pinpoint that it came in the packaging process. We have a fail safe system in place in Canada and it nearly always catches problems long before they get into the food supply. on the rare occasions that it does not, new rules and procedures are added. Beefed up training on listeria and cleanliness were included too. The recall cost Maple Leaf $20 million and that is not including $27 million spent on lawsuit settlements.



We also had mad a cow outbreak in this country too. To my knowledge no tainted beef got into our food supply. But the result for Canadian beef producers was anything but profitable. Japan and Korea banned Canadian beef imports even though no affected beef got into the food supply. The US and Europe banned live beef imports.



My point being that the argument profitability precludes safety is not reflected by the evidence. If it were, we would never eat any food from Sobeys, never drive a car, never fly, never ride a bike, go skiing, take public transit, enjoy an alcoholic beverage or live in any shelter.

[Anonymous]

Without safety there is no profit. Food safety in Canada and the USA are very good. But we had a listeriosis outbreak at the Maple Leaf plant in Toronto with 57 confirmed cases and 22 deaths. They were able to pinpoint that it came in the packaging process. We have a fail safe system in place in Canada and it nearly always catches problems long before they get into the food supply. on the rare occasions that it does not, new rules and procedures are added. Beefed up training on listeria and cleanliness were included too. The recall cost Maple Leaf $20 million and that is not including $27 million spent on lawsuit settlements.



We also had mad a cow outbreak in this country too. To my knowledge no tainted beef got into our food supply. But the result for Canadian beef producers was anything but profitable. Japan and Korea banned Canadian beef imports even though no affected beef got into the food supply. The US and Europe banned live beef imports.



My point being that the argument profitability precludes safety is not reflected by the evidence. If it were, we would never eat any food from Sobeys, never drive a car, never fly, never ride a bike, go skiing, take public transit, enjoy an alcoholic beverage or live in any shelter.

Any place I have lived and worked that government controlled the means of production had terrible safety records. There were few if any investigations, recalls, forget lawsuits and naturally no changes to prevent further problems. I know I feel a lot safer with the means of production in private hands than in government hands. I would only buy imported if that were to ever happen.

[Anonymous]

The city of Flint Michigan has a crisis with lead into their city's water. This is a government owned utility. There goes the theory about safety and profitability being in opposition to each other.



How water crisis in Flint, Mich., became federal state of emergency

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/01/19/michigan-flint-water-contamination/78996052/">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /78996052/">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/01/19/michigan-flint-water-contamination/78996052/

[easter bunny]

If safety standards were left up to market forces then it would be the loss of revenue due to dead customers that would be the determining factor. Sorry, but that is a fact.

[Anonymous]

If safety standards were left up to market forces then it would be the loss of revenue due to dead customers that would be the determining factor. Sorry, but that is a fact.

That wasn't the case in Flint was it? Market forces means providing a service, making the customer happy and they continue to purchase. Public ownership and monopolized capitalism means you don't care what the customer thinks, people that do not know what they are doing are appointed to positions they are unqualified for based on connections and safety is entrusted to people with no skin in the game. Look, I have lived in places where the means of production and all utilities are controlled by government. Every time you turn on a gas stove, you are playing Russian roulette. Sorry, but that is the real fact. What you posted is fantasy.

[Anonymous]

So there you have it. Herman does not trust the public sector with his safety and easter bunny does not trust the private sector with his safety.

[easter bunny]

The only trustworthy system is one that rewards safety improvements. There is no such system.

[Anonymous]

The only trustworthy system is one that rewards safety improvements. There is no such system.

Every industry, public and private rewards safety. Um hello.

[Anonymous]

The only trustworthy system is one that rewards safety improvements. There is no such system.

Every industry, public and private rewards safety. Um hello.

There's no need for that, but I have to wonder what easter bunny does for a living. How about it easter bunny? Can you tell us? I am a hairdresser.

[Anonymous]

The only trustworthy system is one that rewards safety improvements. There is no such system.

Every industry, public and private rewards safety. Um hello.

There's no need for that, but I have to wonder what easter bunny does for a living. How about it easter bunny? Can you tell us? I am a hairdresser.