Womans Rights Could Destroy Muslim Society

[Gary Oak]

Here read it for yourself. It seems quite obvious that izlam destroys society simply by it's evil nature. how many millions of murders have been caused by izlamic teaching ?



Egypt warns giving women some rights could destroy society

By Michelle Nichols | Reuters – 19 hours ago



Egyptian national flag flutters at Port Said, northeast of Cairo February 1, 2013. ...

By Michelle Nichols

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Egypt's ruling Muslim Brotherhood warns that a U.N. declaration on women's rights could destroy society by allowing a woman to travel, work and use contraception without her husband's approval and letting her control family spending.

The Islamist party of President Mohamed Mursi outlined 10 reasons why Muslim countries should "reject and condemn" the declaration, which the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women is racing to negotiate a consensus deal on by Friday.

The Brotherhood, which was elected to power in June, posted the statement on its website, http://www.ikhwanweb.com">www.ikhwanweb.com, on Thursday.

Egypt has joined Iran, Russia and the Vatican - dubbed an "unholy alliance" by some diplomats - in threatening to derail the women's rights declaration by objecting to language on sexual, reproductive and gay rights.

The Muslim Brotherhood said the declaration would give "wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger."

U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice last week touted at the commission - a global policy-making body created in 1946 for the advancement of women - progress made by the United States in reducing the rate of violence against women by their partners.

"All 50 states in our union now have laws that treat date rape or spousal rape as just as much of a crime as rape by a stranger," Rice said. "We cannot live in truly free societies, if women and girls are not free to reach their full potential."

The contrasting views show the gap that needs to be breached in negotiations on the declaration, which this year is focused on urging an end to violence against women and girls. The commission failed to agree a declaration last year on a theme of empowering rural women due to similar disagreements.

WORLD IS WATCHING

Egypt has proposed an amendment, diplomats say, that would allow countries to avoid implementing the declaration if it clashed with national laws, religious or cultural values. But some diplomats say this would undermine the entire declaration.

The Muslim Brotherhood warned the declaration would give girls sexual freedom, legalize abortion, provide teenagers with contraceptives, give equality to women in marriage and require men and women to share duties such as child care and chores.

It said the declaration would allow "equal rights to homosexuals, and provide protection and respect for prostitutes" and "equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships."

A coalition of Arab human rights groups - from Egypt, Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Tunisia - called on countries at the Commission on the Status of Women on Thursday to stop using religion, culture, and tradition to justify abuse of women.

"The current positions taken by some Arab governments at this meeting is clearly not representative of civil society views, aspirations or best practices regarding the elimination and prevention of violence against women and girls within our countries," said the statement issued by the Coalition for Sexual and Bodily Rights in Muslim Societies.

Michelle Bachelet, a former president of Chile and head of U.N. Women, which supports the commission, said the commission was unable to reach a deal a decade ago when it last focused on the theme of women's rights and ending violence against women.

"Ten years later, we simply cannot allow disagreement or indecision to block progress for the world's women," Bachelet told the opening session of the commission last week. "The world is watching ... the violence needs to stop."

(Editing by Mohammad Zargham)

[cc]

^ too true

Egypt has proposed an amendment, diplomats say, that would allow countries to avoid implementing the declaration if it clashed with national laws, religious or cultural values.



But some diplomats say this would undermine the entire declaration.

No Shiite

[cc]

Can't have "the help" you "own" providing any input, that's for sure!!!!



Note: We will NEVER EVER change islam in ANY way.



In fact, lately it is becoming far harsher as Fundies gain more power in every islamic country. I believe it will continue in that direction essentially forever



Human rights declarations by dreamers in a room far removed from the reality of islamic lands are in a way worse than doing nothing as they merely harder islamics to dig in deeper.



The thing most intolerable for the ideology of intolerance is to be told what to do by us infidel scoundrels

[Odinson]

I´m all for women rights but women actually trying to take the place of men... That I will not accept.



If you want to act like men, you will die alone.



Nothing is more of a turn-off than women that act like men.

[cc]

Where did you get the idea that was what it is about? It is about women actually being women.



"Vive la différence" .... but ownership fucks up the whole thing. Few real men want a female as a chattel. That's for wimpy islamic wannabe men.



Real men want a strong fem who is not cowed by anyone and voluntarily  succumbs, (i.e. wants him to take her) eh?

[Odinson]

I´m all for women rights but women actually trying to take the place of men... That I will not accept.



If you want to act like men, you will die alone.



Nothing is more of a turn-off than women that act like men.

I can't stand effeminate men. Nothing is more of a turn-off than dandyboys.

I´m glad that there is women like you.  :D



These emos make us take a step back in evolution.

[Anonymous]

^ too true

Egypt has proposed an amendment, diplomats say, that would allow countries to avoid implementing the declaration if it clashed with national laws, religious or cultural values.



But some diplomats say this would undermine the entire declaration.

No Shiite

CC, you missed your calling. I would pay a high cover charge to see you perform at Yuk Yuk's.

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[Romero]

Contemporary society has lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity and that's a shame.

This makes no sense. How has society "lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity"? Men choose for themselves however they wish to be. Men don't care what your personal ideals of masculinity are.



You know, for an alleged libertarian you sure love to decide how people should and shouldn't be.

[cc]

That makes total sense. Your perspective limits you from having any way of knowing what a high bar is



SL isn't saying that women should not be strong. She is saying that effeminated men have a low standard / bar

[cc]

Let me ponder that a while. I used "perspective" after some thought. My feminine / gentle throwback side took me over.







Thank you seoulbro

[Anonymous]

Contemporary society has lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity and that's a shame.

This makes no sense. How has society "lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity"? Men choose for themselves however they wish to be. Men don't care what your personal ideals of masculinity are.



You know, for an alleged libertarian you sure love to decide how people should and shouldn't be.

Masculinity is subjective. I don't care what Shen Li considers masculine anymore than she likely cares what I consider feminine. We like what we like and nobody is going to change that.

[cc]

 We like what we like and nobody is going to change that.

Absolutely



Its a varying-between-individuals combination of dna and conditioning, I suppose.



In the end, male or female, those respecting weakness gravitate toward the weak .. and ... those respecting strength gravitate toward the strong

[Odinson]

Contemporary society has lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity and that's a shame.

This makes no sense. How has society "lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity"? Men choose for themselves however they wish to be. Men don't care what your personal ideals of masculinity are.



You know, for an alleged libertarian you sure love to decide how people should and shouldn't be.

Men are tall and are muscles... little faggots like you want to forward this wimpy ass figure of a male.



I hate it!



Weak.

[cc]

Well, not an "occutard metrosexual barrista" 4 shore!!



 I was referring mainly to character and independence from "in vogue" thinking (or more like no-thinking) that matters. A 130 # "real man" personality could be desirable. A 200 # muscled emasculated hunk of material only could not be attractive

[Anonymous]

Contemporary society has lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity and that's a shame.

This makes no sense. How has society "lowered the bar on what constitutes masculinity"? Men choose for themselves however they wish to be. Men don't care what your personal ideals of masculinity are.



You know, for an alleged libertarian you sure love to decide how people should and shouldn't be.

Men are tall and are muscles... little faggots like you want to forward this wimpy ass figure of a male.



I hate it!



Weak.

I don't want to make baseless assumptions about Romero or call him childish names. He has always been a good guy on this forum and we have a mutual respect for each other even when we disagree.



With the different opinions on what is or isn't "masculine" we haven't discussed what is feminine. I don't think any serious guy would dispute that our own Fashionista meets the criteria for femininity.