Australian bear home invasion.

[Angry White Male]

Renee and her Clown Calibers...



Not sure why she'd even worry about what to carry in Grizzly country...  Like she'd even be able to walk more than a few feet through mountainous terrain.

[Renee]

Your linked list is a joke, Renee...



It does include the 12 Gauge, which I mentioned straight up is a popular choice...



However, it's a joke because half the firearms there are handguns.  .357 Magnum in Grizzly country?  Again, better than nothing.



Your list is a joke.  30-06 didn't even make the list, but .357 Magnum did?



Give me a break.



What type of black powder do you like to use when reloading your .45 California Cowboy rounds?



Do you just use a campfire to melt the spent lead and cast it into new bullets also?

I schooled you twice on this and you still can't STFU.....you ain't too smart, are you.....but we know this already.



"nothing less powerful than a .357 Magnum for black bears, and for grizzlies, a .44 Magnum is minimum, with .454 Cassull or .500 S&W recommended if you can handle the large frame. When it comes to Canada's brown bears, forget it. If you don't have a big bore rifle, you're on the menu. Accept it."

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For your edification, the 30-06 is not considered "a big bore rifle".



"True to the name, the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun is a favorite of hunting guides in North America, particularly those in Canada and Alaska, who operate in areas where there is a good chance of encounters with ill-tempered predators".



"A cousin to the Marlin 336, the Marlin 1895 is chambered in the venerable .45-70 Government cartridge. With an 18-inch or 22-inch barrel, the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun only weights around eight pounds, making it a powerful, yet handy, accurate, and easy-to-carry rifle."

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-best-bear-defense-guns-pics/">http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-best-b ... guns-pics/">http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-best-bear-defense-guns-pics/



Once again not a single 06 one the list.



A recent poll conducted by Cabalas showed that the .338 win mag followed by the .375 h&h and the 45-70 govt. were the most common calibers used by professional hunting guides for use on big bears in Canada and Alaska. The 06 is considered by professionals too light to reliability stop an enraged grizzly......GET OVER IT.



I'm not saying that the 30-06 is a bad cartridge.....it's one of my personal faves (along with it's necked down offspring like the .270 win) but in the face of a charging grizzly.....I'll go with the 45-70 just for it's shear knock down power. You can use the 06 and afterwards, the search and rescue can shovel what's left of you into a plastic bag.....No great loss.



Now you can be smart and shut the fuck up in the face of someone who knows more than you but I know you won't because you are a typical drunken, blabber mouthed, fool....You don't know dick but you can't shut your mouth either. It must suck to be you......



Stick to shooting cats....you don't have to worry about choice of caliber to kill a cat while it's sitting in it's carrier pleading for it's life.

[Angry White Male]

Quoted directly from the State of Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game...

The rifle you bring hunting should be one with which you are comfortable. Because of the presence of brown and grizzly bears, many hunters have been convinced that a .300, .338, .375, or .416 magnum is needed for personal protection and to take large Alaska game. This is simply not true.

You should read the entire page, as it has some useful info that can help educate you, Renee...



http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms">http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?ad ... g.firearms">http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms

[Renee]

Quoted directly from the State of Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game...

The rifle you bring hunting should be one with which you are comfortable. Because of the presence of brown and grizzly bears, many hunters have been convinced that a .300, .338, .375, or .416 magnum is needed for personal protection and to take large Alaska game. This is simply not true.

You should read the entire page, as it has some useful info that can help educate you, Renee...



http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms">http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?ad ... g.firearms">http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms

Mel this not about hunting where you are shooting a bear 100 yards out where shot placement is everything. It's about having enough knock down power when the animal is tight on top of you. FFS tribes in Africa used to kill elephants and lions with a spear.....just because it can be done doesn't mean you should do it.



Fuuuuck are you dumb....



Have you ever heard the old adage where it comes to dangerous game...." never too much gun"?

That saying has been the rule since men were killing dangerous animals with muzzle loaders.



Do you know what that means?



Of course you don't.....it's about being smart in your choice of caliber when facing an animal that can potentially kill you. The only animal you ever faced down was a house cat trapped in a cage. Other than that poor animal the only thing you ever hunted and killed is a case of PBR.



Stop trying to defend your lack of firearms knowledge and grotesque lack of common sense. You look like a bigger fool than you usually do.

[Bricktop]

Er, what do you call someone who argues with a fool???

[Angry White Male]

Renee, did you click on the link and read the State of Alaska's web page?



Perhaps you should email The State of Alaska Dept. of Fish & Game and tell them that the info is all wrong?

[Blazor]

This is a good one that was recommended to me, that Alaskan Rangers use. Perfect for backpacking up there. Hell even says Alaskan on it with a grizzly bear lol. .44mag





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I got the classic, which is a 5" barrel instead of 6". It takes the weight of the 6" length and disperses it under the 5" barrel giving the same stability of a 6".

[Renee]

Renee, did you click on the link and read the State of Alaska's web page?



Perhaps you should email The State of Alaska Dept. of Fish & Game and tell them that the info is all wrong?

No they are not wrong but you have lost sight of the argument.



The Alaskan fish and game article talks about bullet placement, bullet construction and a hunters overall comfort with the use of his or her firearm. I whole heatedly agree with all of it.



BUT that is not what is being discussed here...this argument started out as the best type of weapon for bear DEFENSE...it's not about hunting or shooting a bear at distance. It's about stumbling upon a bear by accident and being attacked. Isn't that why YOU suggested a 12ga?



Notice I didn't take issue with that choice....AND I'm not disparaging the 30-06....all I'm saying is there are better options at close range. Get it?



Now if you cannot follow along logically, get lost and go bother some one else. At this juncture the premise of the discussion should not have to be explained to you.

[Anonymous]

When we are camping in grizzly and mountain lion country, we make lots of noise.

[Renee]

This is a good one that was recommended to me, that Alaskan Rangers use. Perfect for backpacking up there. Hell even says Alaskan on it with a grizzly bear lol. .44mag





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I got the classic, which is a 5" barrel instead of 6". It takes the weight of the 6" length and disperses it under the 5" barrel giving the same stability of a 6".

The .44 mag or the .41 mag have always been great choices for hikers in grizzly country. Unfortunately the big N Frame M29 with large grips is too big for my hands. The Newer 629 even more so.



I have a Ruger Redhawk, in .45 colt with a 4" barrel like this.



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It's big and the trigger is a stretch for my stubby fingers but it fits my hand better. And you can put .45 ACP thru it with reasonable results.

[Blazor]

I have a Ruger Redhawk, in .45 colt with a 4" barrel like this.

Nice!



I can hear Hank now "or shoot him with my old .45!" lol.