No iPhone? I can't respect you

[caskur]

LOL at you thinking the brides from Korea are immigrants and not stolen sex slaves.





The Chinese have bought Australian mines, real estate, farms, seafood businesses, Australia ports and electricity companies..  The rich Chinese don't eat their own food, it's too polluted... they eat ours and then dump their rubbish products here.



they should clean up their shithole and stop pretending everything is Ok when it bloody well isn't.

[Berry Sweet]

I don't have rose coloured glasses on.

Brown tinted?

[Zetsu]

You guys are in Lalaland about China... sad really.

I duno what made you think that way, but like Fash has said we're from China, in fact my father runs a factory in Shenzhen, a company in Hong Kong and Shanghai.  Tbh you should really visit what China is like instead of only making assumptions based on extreme rare cases, yes it's true back then when China just opened to the world market it was extremely rural and the pay was no difference from wages in Africa, but now national minimum wage is about 40% of the US's wages.

[caskur]

5,000 + dead in mines in China a year isn't "rare occurrences" it's slack safety laws. How many little kids are left fatherless from that decade in, decade out?



Chinese workers are exposed to carcinogenic substances daily...  There are no safe rules in China only exploitation.





You know, my family have been to China a few times...My cousin Jamie was shot at leaving China after the Beijing Massacre ... he was first interviewed off the plane when it arrived at Sydney airport... he still has PTSD to this day.



People are not free in China to complain about anything. No one holds that over me...

[caskur]

And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... -last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







____________________________________



This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

[caskur]

Yes, 6,000,000 of the poor bastards are going to die horrible deaths...



https://www.theworldofchinese.com/2016/07/fighting-chinas-black-lung-tragedy/">https://www.theworldofchinese.com/2016/ ... g-tragedy/">https://www.theworldofchinese.com/2016/07/fighting-chinas-black-lung-tragedy/



Any western Chinese give a shit about these guys?





For the average person, the China's pollution is but a eternal haze that hangs over the sky. However, there are much more alarming dangers of the infamous smog—an estimated six million Chinese are dying because of pneumoconiosis (Black Lung, 尘肺病), a lung disease where parts of the lungs turn into "stone" and cease to function properly.

Pneumoconiosis is caused by inhaling excessive fine dust and pollutants. As a result, lung tissues harden and petrify, causing agonizing pain and difficult with each breath. Black Lung disease  makes up a whopping ninety-percent of all occupational hazards in China. In addition to the official estimate of six million victims, 20,000 new cases appear every year. These estimates are conservative ones, with more realistic estimates being ten to twenty times higher. And the real kicker? Pneumoconiosis has a high death rate of 22.04%, and no, there is no cure.

[Zetsu]

5,000 + dead in mines in China a year isn't "rare occurrences" it's slack safety laws. How many little kids are left fatherless from that decade in, decade out?



Chinese workers are exposed to carcinogenic substances daily...  There are no safe rules in China only exploitation.





You know, my family have been to China a few times...My cousin Jamie was shot at leaving China after the Beijing Massacre ... he was first interviewed off the plane when it arrived at Sydney airport... he still has PTSD to this day.



People are not free in China to complain about anything. No one holds that over me...

The issues you've mention is true about China, in fact there's still a lot of problems, corruption to people buying their drivers licences, but I dun understand what does this has to do with the business class or investors that have drastically increase the salary of China's skilled and unskilled labour forces.

[Zetsu]

And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... -last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







____________________________________



This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

I really don't understand what is the point of this Caskur, China's just going through the same problems the West and all developing nations has gone through in the past and present.  Pretty much every country that goes through modernization will enter this phase due to most likely lack of technology and experience.  In fact in our factory we have a lot of safety guidelines, but the problem is a lot of the time people don't go according to procedure and just want convenience.

[caskur]

And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... -last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







____________________________________



This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

I really don't understand what is the point of this Caskur, China's just going through the same problems the West and all developing nations has gone through in the past and present.  Pretty much every country that goes through modernization will enter this phase due to most likely lack of technology and experience.  In fact in our factory we have a lot of safety guidelines, but the problem is a lot of the time people don't go according to procedure and just want convenience.

You can't have it both ways claiming one minute the Chinese are the most prosperous and educated one minute then tell me the western nations went through all this too as if that's a sane excuse.



Either the Chinese hierarchy are educated or not? They might be but they do not care about their citizens so they're hardly going to care about other countries and their citizens either so they are a number one threat to me personally. The Chinese hierarchy do not care about their environment so they aren't going to care about mine either.



You don't understand what I'm getting at?

[Zetsu]

And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... -last-year">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







____________________________________



This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

I really don't understand what is the point of this Caskur, China's just going through the same problems the West and all developing nations has gone through in the past and present.  Pretty much every country that goes through modernization will enter this phase due to most likely lack of technology and experience.  In fact in our factory we have a lot of safety guidelines, but the problem is a lot of the time people don't go according to procedure and just want convenience.

You can't have it both ways claiming one minute the Chinese are the most prosperous and educated one minute then tell me the western nations went through all this too as if that's a sane excuse.



Either the Chinese hierarchy are educated or not? They might be but they do not care about their citizens so they're hardly going to care about other countries and their citizens either so they are a number one threat to me personally. The Chinese hierarchy do not care about their environment so they aren't going to care about mine either.



You don't understand what I'm getting at?

I've never said that Chinese are the most prosperous and/or educated, the most I've said China's wage has increase 15x since my dad had rebuilt his 3rd factory in Shenzhen or people are now living in modern mega cities.  In fact a lot of Chinese folks are entrepreneurs and many never had a chance to go to a proper school, my dad only got up to grade 2 education and started working full time since he was 8, many others too just start off their business learning from experience, you need to remember Caskur China's condition during my dad's childhood was no difference from Africa, but they're back up by a history of civilization and FDI.



And no doubt you're correct there's still moral and ethnical issues in the China, but at the same time if people die at the work place the share holders of the company will be held responsible, or anyone that produces and sells food that lead to certain death will also face jail time.  I can't say are others as serious and compassionate as my dad, but I believe others fear the consequences, and most importantly a lot of the businesses in China are still run by their founders and many lack experience, education and expertise, and like I've said practically every developing nation goes through this phase, including the West nations in the past.

[caskur]

Never think I am not on the regular people's side whatever nation they live in.



I am one person that wants the people heading countries to do right by their citizens...



I want people to love the land they're born on and look after it.



I am VERY hostile to the ruling classes who do not live up to those minimum standards

[Zetsu]

Sorry Caskur I just don't understand what exactly is your point, honestly your argument is all over the place.  First you're saying Apple and other investors are exploiting their workers, then deaths every year in mining and now Chinese hierarchy don't care about their citizens, I don't understand are you referring to the government or businesses, but there has been a minimum wage increase almost every year and labour protection law that have cause the QC of Chinese made goods to drop drastically.  Though one thing I agree is Chinese ppl have ethics issues in general, but I can't say is it b/c of this business owners treat their workers like they're disposable or just don't care what happens to them, on a spectrum I agree China is worst, but the West has it's fair shares of death at work place or disasters in the past too that isn't a lot better than China current state as they are right now due to drastic development and changes.

[Zetsu]

Never think I am not on the regular people's side whatever nation they live in.



I am one person that wants the people heading countries to do right by their citizens...



I want people to love the land they're born on and look after it.



I am VERY hostile to the ruling classes who do not live up to those minimum standards

I do agree about what you've said, except one thing there really isn't really a lot of Chinese leaving China as it looks, it's just China as 1.4 billion people and if just 1% move overseas, that's over 14 million people, half of the population of Canada.

[caskur]

I'll use the quote system here better when I'm responding so you'll know which point I'm getting at to which person I am talking to.





My husband is home today and annoying me greatly.





China is a very, very big threat to Australia.





one of our Labor Prime Ministers, Julia Gillard gave a speech to the Chinese government... She wants China to prosper... I'm sure she wasn't referring to their upper echelon only. She meant, for the people in the country to prosper.





They aren't going to prosper on mainland China while health and safety concerns are largely ignored.

[caskur]

I'll give you a job as my head chef Zetsu if you can rustle me up some Char Kway Teow!



I'm going to be like Oprah when I win 22 million on lotto and hire myself a chef.