Quote from: DKG on January 08, 2024, 08:07:53 PMIf you want to get technical, most liberal democracies do not call themselves that.

It is things like the rule of law, an independent judiciary, a non politicized military and a guarantee of liberties like our Charter of Rights or the US Constitution that define us.

History matters and the entirety of Western Law cannot be extricated from Christianity because that has always been its foundation.

When you as a governing body tell me "do this" and I ask "who died and made you boss?" the answer is "Jesus".

Quote from: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 08:21:03 PMHistory matters and the entirety of Western Law cannot be extricated from Christianity because that has always been its foundation.

When you as a governing body tell me "do this" and I ask "who died and made you boss?" the answer is "Jesus".

I disagree. Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore are not founded on Christendom. But, they have the rule of law.

Quote from: DKG on January 08, 2024, 08:25:20 PMI disagree. Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore are not founded on Christendom. But, they have the rule of law.

Those countries are not part of Western Civilization. Those countries also have a very different progression of law and rights. Europe, Australia, Canada, the US are what I'm talking about.

Quote from: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 08:34:13 PMThose countries are not part of Western Civilization. Those countries also have a very different progression of law and rights. Europe, Australia, Canada, the US are what I'm talking about.

But, they have have the rule of law, certain liberties are guaranteed, an independent judiciary. And they did that without a Christian background, so you can keep religion out of politics and safeguard personal freedoms.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 08, 2024, 09:40:41 AMI agree

Church and state must be separate entities. Pay unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and that which belongs to the father to the father.

Yep.

Quote from: DKG on January 08, 2024, 08:53:33 PMBut, they have have the rule of law, certain liberties are guaranteed, an independent judiciary. And they did that without a Christian background, so you can keep religion out of politics and safeguard personal freedoms.

No. The United States of America stands out like no other with its Bill of Rights and declaration that rights come from God, NOT government. No other system, even the others in Western Europe, compare. The historical state sanctioned treatment of civil rights in asia is not anything I would want to live under although I do like SOME of the executions.

Quote from: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 10:29:29 PMNo. The United States of America stands out like no other with its Bill of Rights and declaration that rights come from God, NOT government. No other system, even the others in Western Europe, compare. The historical state sanctioned treatment of civil rights in asia is not anything I would want to live under although I do like SOME of the executions.

The Swiss system is a lot better than the US.

Quote from: DKG on January 08, 2024, 08:07:53 PMIf you want to get technical, most liberal democracies do not call themselves that.

It is things like the rule of law, an independent judiciary, a non politicized military and a guarantee of liberties like our Charter of Rights or the US Constitution that define us.

 The United States isn't like any other liberal democracy. It's not a democracy. It's a republic.

 A lot of people claim democracy here....but it isn't.

 A democracy is basically the tyranny of the majority and the US allows everyone to be heard. That's why we have checks and balances. Like the electoral collage. 

Quote from: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 08:16:41 PMRight? I keep telling gaytheists they're slitting their own throats but naw, they cant see it! At least remain a silent "partner" FFS!

 I feel like A LOT of people really do not understand that fundamental foundation.

 And that's scary to me.

Christianity is the actual foundation of western society and the reason we have protected rights that cannot be taken.

 Rights granted by humans in a government can be taken at anytime. Replacing God with the government is a death blow to liberty.

Quote from: Dove on January 09, 2024, 12:17:55 AMThe United States isn't like any other liberal democracy. It's not a democracy. It's a republic.

 A lot of people claim democracy here....but it isn't.

 A democracy is basically the tyranny of the majority and the US allows everyone to be heard. That's why we have checks and balances. Like the electoral collage. 

How is that different than the Swiss Constitution? Here it is. They do not call themselves a democracy either even though it is one of the most truly democratic states in the world.
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1999/404/en

Quote from: DKG on January 08, 2024, 08:53:33 PMBut, they have have the rule of law, certain liberties are guaranteed, an independent judiciary. And they did that without a Christian background, so you can keep religion out of politics and safeguard personal freedoms.

 Singapore was once a colony of England. It isn't the same as Korea  or the other nations you stated.... Singapore is Westernized.

Quote from: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 08:34:13 PMThose countries are not part of Western Civilization. Those countries also have a very different progression of law and rights. Europe, Australia, Canada, the US are what I'm talking about.

its called the Anglo-American world power...... Singapore is part of it.

And the breakdown of religion in Singapore is -

According to 2020 census data, of the four million citizens and permanent residents, 31.1 percent are Buddhist, 20 percent identify as having no religion, 18.9 percent Christian, 15.6 percent Muslim (predominantly Sunni), 8.8 percent Taoist, and 5 percent Hindu.

Christian 2nd.... fascinating.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 08, 2024, 09:40:41 AMI agree

Church and state must be separate entities. Pay unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and that which belongs to the father to the father.

Well the head of the Commonwealth Governments is King Charles the 3rd and he is also HEAD of the Church of England.

Quote from: Dove on January 09, 2024, 12:17:55 AMThe United States isn't like any other liberal democracy. 

 A lot of people claim democracy here....but it isn't.

 A democracy is basically the tyranny of the majority and the US allows everyone to be heard. That's why we have checks and balances. Like the electoral collage. 

  I have never heard the expression, "It's not a democracy. It's a republic." You live in a democratic Republic....

 And what is this tyranical democrasy business. are you changing the meaning of democrisy now.

Quote from: Moonie on January 08, 2024, 12:17:35 AMYes..but that is his end all.  My question is.  Is this what Jesus would want now?

Maybe what you mean it's the starting of the tribulation?  Because it may possibly cause world war. I don't know. All we can do is pray, repent and dig deeper in the word for answers.

I'm also curious regarding priests breaking laws too.  It doesn't surprise me.  They are human and sin like the rest of us. I mean look at the Pope.

I hoping with all my heart we are in The Great Tribulation....I can't wait for Armageddon. Its why I write on fb or yt, Thy Kingdom Come. It is what Jesus told us to pray for.

It's the only thing that will stop the suffering.