Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks

[Anonymous]

Well crime is down 40% where I live



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/ ... a/12132410">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/coronavirus-shutdown-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-wa/12132410



And the pain will not go on for years. In some countries it will get back slower but it will go back to normal within 2 years....



Would you rather we have the Americans store bodies in unrefrigerated trucks like the news is reporting as I type?

Low crime rates are the only positive. But, domestic violence is rising as a result of lockdowns.



A New Covid-19 Crisis: Domestic Abuse Rises Worldwide

Movement restrictions aimed to stop the spread of the coronavirus making violence worse

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-domestic-violence.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/worl ... lence.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-domestic-violence.html



Are all of those deaths due to coronavirus or are they result of all the deaths caused by the lockdowns. I will give you an example from British Columbia where I live. A colleague of mine's wife was scheduled for a hysterectomy, but the government here postponed it when they prioritized hospital care for the coronavirus. Hopefully, it is not spreading. People have died of heart attacks and strokes because they couldn't see their doctors when their symptoms were mild. Cancer spreads, caridiovascular disease symptoms go unchecked, joint replacement surgeries cancelled and suicides soar. Lockdowns cost lives.

It appears you're really complaining about a badly run lockdown...



When you say "Hopefully, it is not spreading." well its sad to say it is spreading and at an alarming rate...



And no domestic violence excuse is going to outweigh the front liners plight who need 1000% support from us.

I think he means the cancer isn't spreading fast..



And yes, these lockdowns are causing people to die as their medical conditions deteriorate or worse while hospitals are prioritized for the coronavirus..



Taiwan didn't do that, life carried on, but with some safety measures and technology to control the spread..



The approach the West has taken of lockdowns is causing more death than it prevents.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps we could have protected vulnerable populations with the type of social distancing, but without lockdowns that provinces out West will implement as part of their gradual relaunch strategies.

[cc]

Big jump in cases for a very small population > in one day 3,400 new cases



That would be the equivalent of well over 10,000 in Canada while Canada actually had 580





Sweden is now approaching 1/2 of Canada's total cases, and over  2/3 the deaths .. yet is just under 1/4th the size and got a much later start

[Anonymous]

Big jump in cases for a very small population > in one day 3,400 new cases



That would be the equivalent of well over 10,000 in Canada while Canada actually had 580





Sweden is now approaching 1/2 of Canada's total cases, yet is just under 1/4th the size and got a much later start

I just checked and they have 531 serious or critical cases..



That isn't enough to overwhelm their hospitals.

[cc]

and over 2/3 the deaths  of Canada .. yet is just under 1/4th the size and got a MUCH later start



Like I said before, they are knowingly killing off their elders



All those numbers relative to us  and they are just at the start, while we were one of the first to get started  .. long ago now





If it should slow down very soon and very substantially, they may prove their case



If it does not, and continues for a while at even close to past and present rates, they are in a disaster .. and will hurt & kill a lot of people

 .. with big numbers for a very small country





Canada is doing fairly well, despite Quebec .. We are right on 1/2 the US rate for cases and deaths  .. and started about the same time .. thanks to Wuhan flights into Van, MO, TO etc

[Anonymous]

The excuse we were given for a forced depression were pure horseshit. It will overwhelm hospitals. That has not happened in Sweden.



We should've told all businesses at the start of this they have to implement social distancing measures, provide PPE for staff and sanitizer for customers. No idiotic lockdowns required where you can't to your office, but you can wait in line with dozens of others at Costco. Fuck, the West is run by idiots.

[cc]

I think you said pretty much exactly that MANY times before



Message(s) heard and ignored accordingly

[kiebers]

The youtube video that was taken down because "the video was pulled because the content contradicted the guidance of the local health authority."

There are two videos on this page that are very interesting. The shorter one mentions Norway and Sweden.

https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/watch-controversial-press-conference-held-by-two-bakersfield-doctors-that-was-pulled-down-by-youtube">https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavir ... by-youtube">https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/watch-controversial-press-conference-held-by-two-bakersfield-doctors-that-was-pulled-down-by-youtube

[Anonymous]

The youtube video that was taken down because "the video was pulled because the content contradicted the guidance of the local health authority."

There are two videos on this page that are very interesting. The shorter one mentions Norway and Sweden.

https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/watch-controversial-press-conference-held-by-two-bakersfield-doctors-that-was-pulled-down-by-youtube">https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavir ... by-youtube">https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/watch-controversial-press-conference-held-by-two-bakersfield-doctors-that-was-pulled-down-by-youtube

Erickson suggests that staying at home too long could be even worse for people's health.

I'm of that opinion myself now.

[cc]

Brazil was "the other" country that tried what Sweden tried.



They had to give it up and reverse 180 a few weeks ago as things got bad[sic - Maybe not the   citizen  discipline? Just thinking out loud]



https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-brazil-mass-graves-worst-hit">Coronavirus in Brazil leads to mass graves, fears country could become worst-hit in world: 'We are in a state of utter disaster'



"What we are seeing are scenes from a horror movie."



Those words came from Artur Virgilio, the mayor of Manaus, about the coronavirus crisis developing in the middle of the Amazon rainforest in northern Brazil.



The city had a record number of burials in April -- about 100 a day, or triple the average -- forcing authorities to do many en masse in improvised cemeteries.



"We aren't in a state of emergency. We are in a state of utter disaster, like a country that is at war but has already lost," Virgilio said.

[Anonymous]

Brazil was "the other" country that tried what Sweden tried.



They had to give it up and reverse 180 a few weeks ago as things got bad[sic - Maybe not the   citizen  discipline? Just thinking out loud]



https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-brazil-mass-graves-worst-hit">Coronavirus in Brazil leads to mass graves, fears country could become worst-hit in world: 'We are in a state of utter disaster'



"What we are seeing are scenes from a horror movie."



Those words came from Artur Virgilio, the mayor of Manaus, about the coronavirus crisis developing in the middle of the Amazon rainforest in northern Brazil.



The city had a record number of burials in April -- about 100 a day, or triple the average -- forcing authorities to do many en masse in improvised cemeteries.



"We aren't in a state of emergency. We are in a state of utter disaster, like a country that is at war but has already lost," Virgilio said.

Would Brazilians follow the rules of a lockdown?

[caskur]

Brazil was "the other" country that tried what Sweden tried.



They had to give it up and reverse 180 a few weeks ago as things got bad[sic - Maybe not the   citizen  discipline? Just thinking out loud]



https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-brazil-mass-graves-worst-hit">Coronavirus in Brazil leads to mass graves, fears country could become worst-hit in world: 'We are in a state of utter disaster'



"What we are seeing are scenes from a horror movie."



Those words came from Artur Virgilio, the mayor of Manaus, about the coronavirus crisis developing in the middle of the Amazon rainforest in northern Brazil.



The city had a record number of burials in April -- about 100 a day, or triple the average -- forcing authorities to do many en masse in improvised cemeteries.



"We aren't in a state of emergency. We are in a state of utter disaster, like a country that is at war but has already lost," Virgilio said.

We're doing good but then our society is mainly compliant.



I hope Rancid is OK over there in Brazil.

[Anonymous]

Some common sense from a leading epidemiologist.

Swedish Epidemiologist Johan Giesecke: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy



Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world's most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:



UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based.



The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only.



This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a "by-product."



The initial UK response, before the "180 degree U-turn", was better.



The Imperial College paper was "not very good" and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact.



The paper was very much too pessimistic.



Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway.



The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown.



The results will eventually be similar for all countries.



Covid-19 is a "mild disease" and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.



The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%.



At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/swedish_epidemiologist_johan_giesecke_why_lockdowns_are_the_wrong_policy.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation">https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... irculation">https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/swedish_epidemiologist_johan_giesecke_why_lockdowns_are_the_wrong_policy.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation

[cc]

^^ People get it by osmosis?



What "region" ? - it it's EU, EU  is a fucking disaster ... horrible death rate many times original predictions ...  easily seen if one follows the daily records and rates per million people

Brazil was "the other" country that tried what Sweden tried.



They had to give it up and reverse 180 a few weeks ago as things got bad[sic - Maybe not the   citizen  discipline? Just thinking out loud]



https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-brazil-mass-graves-worst-hit">Coronavirus in Brazil leads to mass graves, fears country could become worst-hit in world: 'We are in a state of utter disaster'



"What we are seeing are scenes from a horror movie."



Those words came from Artur Virgilio, the mayor of Manaus, about the coronavirus crisis developing in the middle of the Amazon rainforest in northern Brazil.



The city had a record number of burials in April -- about 100 a day, or triple the average -- forcing authorities to do many en masse in improvised cemeteries.



"We aren't in a state of emergency. We are in a state of utter disaster, like a country that is at war but has already lost," Virgilio said.

Would Brazilians follow the rules of a lockdown?

Yes. That's why I started it with a qualifier



In fact, I felt it would fail when they started it for that very reason (about the same time as Sweden started but without much press exposure .. i.e.  propaganda)



I keep daily logs on World, Canada, US, BC, Sweden etc. (and Brazil till it became a disaster) etc.



Yesterday was a disaster in Sweden (their worse day yet) ... Shortly  I will check it for the past 24 hours



Clearly I have too much time on my hands of late  ac_biggrin

[Anonymous]

The only disaster is the way libtards in the West have used this excuse to do what was taking too long with climate alarmist horseshit: destroy their economies and create a Venezuelan style socialists hell holes.