I want to ask Dove about how she was saved

[Renee]

No. Again, heresy is going outside of the bible. If a church is teaching a false, unbiblical doctrine...it's heresy.  The bible is the authority. Not a church. See what I'm saying?  It is intended this way to keep people accountable to scripture. So that you don't have people like Jim Jones running all over.  It's to keep the gospel spreading and preserved and not added to.

According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".



I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.

 No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain.  Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it.  Teaching heresy.  Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical.  Teachers are held to a higher standard.  Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it.  Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol

So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics?  Are the priests who administer confession heretics?

 You see...this depends.  If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.

"Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify each other."

There you go.  Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.

 it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness.  Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan.  So, there is a line.

So then I would have been considered a heretic.

Fash?  Was I heretic by going to a priest to confess my sins, asking forgiveness and doing my penance?

If you were raised strict Roman Catholic as I was, NOT confessing, would have been considered heretical.

I went to Catholic school and served on the altar at church for many many Sundays.  Never have I heard of confession as being heretical in my entire life.

Because it is NOT heretical and neither is the rosary of pagan origin. The rosary is attributed to 9th century Irish Catholic monks as a way to keep track of the 150 psalms of the bible.

[RW]

I know it's not.



I love and hate talking religion all at the same time.

[Frood]

So this rosary thingy has nothing to do with anal beads for Jesus's boyfriends huh?

[J0E]

I know it's not.



I love and hate talking religion all at the same time.

You seem like someone who constantly tries to run away from it, without realizing how beholden she is to it.

[Anonymous]

No. Again, heresy is going outside of the bible. If a church is teaching a false, unbiblical doctrine...it's heresy.  The bible is the authority. Not a church. See what I'm saying?  It is intended this way to keep people accountable to scripture. So that you don't have people like Jim Jones running all over.  It's to keep the gospel spreading and preserved and not added to.

According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".



I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.

 No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain.  Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it.  Teaching heresy.  Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical.  Teachers are held to a higher standard.  Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it.  Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol

So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics?  Are the priests who administer confession heretics?

 You see...this depends.  If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.

"Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify each other."

There you go.  Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.

 it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness.  Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan.  So, there is a line.

So then I would have been considered a heretic.

if you were teaching people that was required for forgiveness, then yes, you were.  So if you don't believe in any of this anyway....why the strong reaction?

[Anonymous]

Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman.  Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices.  It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion.  It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.

[RW]

So this rosary thingy has nothing to do with anal beads for Jesus's boyfriends huh?

It can if you want it to.

[RW]

No. Again, heresy is going outside of the bible. If a church is teaching a false, unbiblical doctrine...it's heresy.  The bible is the authority. Not a church. See what I'm saying?  It is intended this way to keep people accountable to scripture. So that you don't have people like Jim Jones running all over.  It's to keep the gospel spreading and preserved and not added to.

According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".



I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.

 No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain.  Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it.  Teaching heresy.  Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical.  Teachers are held to a higher standard.  Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it.  Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol

So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics?  Are the priests who administer confession heretics?

 You see...this depends.  If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.

"Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify each other."

There you go.  Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.

 it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness.  Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan.  So, there is a line.

So then I would have been considered a heretic.

if you were teaching people that was required for forgiveness, then yes, you were.  So if you don't believe in any of this anyway....why the strong reaction?

So my teachers and the priests were heretics.  I see haha.



Where did I say I didn't believe in something?

[RW]

Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman.  Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices.  It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion.  It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.

You provided a quote about speaking sins out loud a few posts above.



What I find ironic is that you speak much the same as those I found at Catholic church.

[J0E]

Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman.  Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices.  It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion.  It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.

Actually, why are all these folk here on your back for being a Christian or a believer?



Is it not enough to state that you are a Christian, it's all well and done?



It was for my Grandpa and he managed to live throgu 2 world wars and the Great Depression.



I believe, therefore it is.



This thread is turnin' inta somekinda INquisition.

[RW]

You mean discussion Frank.  Are we not allowed to talk about things?



I'm not the one calling people of her faith heretical now am I?

[Anonymous]

Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman.  Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices.  It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion.  It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.

Actually, why are all these folk here on your back for being a Christian or a believer?



Is it not enough to state that you are a Christian, it's all well and done?



It was for my Grandpa and he managed to live throgu 2 world wars and the Great Depression.



I believe, therefore it is.



This thread is turnin' inta somekinda INquisition.

 Well, Jesus said people would. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman.  Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices.  It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion.  It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.

You provided a quote about speaking sins out loud a few posts above.



What I find ironic is that you speak much the same as those I found at Catholic church.

 I really don't know how else to explain what I said. It was pretty blunt. What I'm going to conclude is that it's not so much that I sound like whatever religious people you have issues with, but rather you are just still stuck in whatever anger or disapproval you have of them and thusly anyone of faith who touches that no no spot becomes them in your head.  When Jesus died on the cross, He said "it is finished".  What He didn't say was "It is finished....if a priest decides so".   The idea that you need a human to absolve you of your sin is heresy. Don't like it?  Oh well.  The reformation happened for a reason. Talking about your sin to other Christains?  That's a good thing. Going to a priest to confess and receive forgiveness?  Unbiblical, man made, structured religion based in shame/guilt heresy.  Now what?

[RW]

I've experienced more than Catholicism in my day including Christian youth groups where they'd expect us to channel the holiness and speak in tongues and shit.  I've seen more than the inside of a confessional.  You ask God for forgiveness not a priest.  You just vocalize and do "penance" in the form of prayer - to God.  



It's all the same shit though Dove.  They think you're doing it wrong.  You think they're doing it wrong.  I say "fuck you!" to the whole lot of ya.  I don't believe for one damn second God or Jesus gives a flying fuck how you show contrition for your sins.

[Frood]

Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman.  Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices.  It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion.  It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.

Actually, why are all these folk here on your back for being a Christian or a believer?



Is it not enough to state that you are a Christian, it's all well and done?



It was for my Grandpa and he managed to live throgu 2 world wars and the Great Depression.



I believe, therefore it is.



This thread is turnin' inta somekinda INquisition.

 Well, Jesus said people would. Lol.

Jesus is dead and you're sick in the head.