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China and Taiwan at war soon?

Started by Frood, August 26, 2020, 10:02:46 PM

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Zetsu

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407916 time=1618145044 user_id=1676
Quote from: Odinson post_id=401501 time=1613009279 user_id=136
EMP has been around for a long time.



Chinas new carrier might be or might not be nuclear powered.



Still... USA has 10 nimitz class carriers plus smaller ones.


The seas don't matter anymore... it's the skies and space above.


I believe that's what the THAAD deployed in South Korea is for, now China has lost all their military privacy.
Permanently off his rocker

Frood

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407921 time=1618146107 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407916 time=1618145044 user_id=1676
Quote from: Odinson post_id=401501 time=1613009279 user_id=136
EMP has been around for a long time.



Chinas new carrier might be or might not be nuclear powered.



Still... USA has 10 nimitz class carriers plus smaller ones.


The seas don't matter anymore... it's the skies and space above.


I believe that's what the THAAD deployed in South Korea is for, now China has lost all their military privacy.


Nothing but hardened electronics will survive after WW3 kicks off, and then populations will die by the hundreds of millions... perhaps billions.



It doesn't take many atmospheric bursts to shut down clean water, farming, logistics, and refrigeration anywhere in the world. Warheads have multiple re-entry components.



It's no longer a case of MAD (mutually assured destruction)... it's about to knocking out the adversarial MAD...



We're on the cusp of the dark ages v2.0.... whether in our lifetimes or our children's...
Blahhhhhh...

Zetsu

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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407923 time=1618147355 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407921 time=1618146107 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407916 time=1618145044 user_id=1676
Quote from: Odinson post_id=401501 time=1613009279 user_id=136
EMP has been around for a long time.



Chinas new carrier might be or might not be nuclear powered.



Still... USA has 10 nimitz class carriers plus smaller ones.


The seas don't matter anymore... it's the skies and space above.


I believe that's what the THAAD deployed in South Korea is for, now China has lost all their military privacy.


Nothing but hardened electronics will survive after WW3 kicks off, and then populations will die by the hundreds of millions... perhaps billions.



It doesn't take many atmospheric bursts to shut down clean water, farming, logistics, and refrigeration anywhere in the world. Warheads have multiple re-entry components.



It's no longer a case of MAD (mutually assured destruction)... it's about to knocking out the adversarial MAD...



We're on the cusp of the dark ages v2.0.... whether in our lifetimes or our children's...


That is if China's EMP missiles can get past South Korea and Japan with the THAAD up and running as a early warning system.  The biggest concern will be China's SSBNs attempting to launch the EMP near the coast of the US, but then the US have like a dozen aircraft carrier battle groups on stand by, not to mention their new batch of SSNs designed effectively to hunt and destroy any enemy submarine and vessels, their Seawolf class with 13 sonars, unlike the previous subs with only 1.
Permanently off his rocker

Anonymous

I don't know much about either side's capabilities.

Zetsu

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=407932 time=1618154706 user_id=2015
I don't know much about either side's capabilities.


US has already form a nice blockade and a bunch of bases surrounding China in the Asia Pacific and I believe they also have submergible drones that can help track down any of China's subs.
Permanently off his rocker

Anonymous

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407933 time=1618155690 user_id=61
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=407932 time=1618154706 user_id=2015
I don't know much about either side's capabilities.


US has already form a nice blockade and a bunch of bases surrounding China in the Asia Pacific and I believe they also have submergible drones that can help track down any of China's subs.

I am sure China knows this and had a strategy.

Frood

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407928 time=1618154300 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407923 time=1618147355 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407921 time=1618146107 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407916 time=1618145044 user_id=1676
Quote from: Odinson post_id=401501 time=1613009279 user_id=136
EMP has been around for a long time.



Chinas new carrier might be or might not be nuclear powered.



Still... USA has 10 nimitz class carriers plus smaller ones.


The seas don't matter anymore... it's the skies and space above.


I believe that's what the THAAD deployed in South Korea is for, now China has lost all their military privacy.


Nothing but hardened electronics will survive after WW3 kicks off, and then populations will die by the hundreds of millions... perhaps billions.



It doesn't take many atmospheric bursts to shut down clean water, farming, logistics, and refrigeration anywhere in the world. Warheads have multiple re-entry components.



It's no longer a case of MAD (mutually assured destruction)... it's about to knocking out the adversarial MAD...



We're on the cusp of the dark ages v2.0.... whether in our lifetimes or our children's...


That is if China's EMP missiles can get past South Korea and Japan with the THAAD up and running as a early warning system.  The biggest concern will be China's SSBNs attempting to launch the EMP near the coast of the US, but then the US have like a dozen aircraft carrier battle groups on stand by, not to mention their new batch of SSNs designed effectively to hunt and destroy any enemy submarine and vessels, their Seawolf class with 13 sonars, unlike the previous subs with only 1.


Mate, you've been fed a load of bs...



All multi re-entry nuke missiles are EMP's... it's just where the bursts happen atmospherically that count.
Blahhhhhh...

Zetsu

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407941 time=1618160374 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407928 time=1618154300 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407923 time=1618147355 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407921 time=1618146107 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407916 time=1618145044 user_id=1676




The seas don't matter anymore... it's the skies and space above.


I believe that's what the THAAD deployed in South Korea is for, now China has lost all their military privacy.


Nothing but hardened electronics will survive after WW3 kicks off, and then populations will die by the hundreds of millions... perhaps billions.



It doesn't take many atmospheric bursts to shut down clean water, farming, logistics, and refrigeration anywhere in the world. Warheads have multiple re-entry components.



It's no longer a case of MAD (mutually assured destruction)... it's about to knocking out the adversarial MAD...



We're on the cusp of the dark ages v2.0.... whether in our lifetimes or our children's...


That is if China's EMP missiles can get past South Korea and Japan with the THAAD up and running as a early warning system.  The biggest concern will be China's SSBNs attempting to launch the EMP near the coast of the US, but then the US have like a dozen aircraft carrier battle groups on stand by, not to mention their new batch of SSNs designed effectively to hunt and destroy any enemy submarine and vessels, their Seawolf class with 13 sonars, unlike the previous subs with only 1.


Mate, you've been fed a load of bs...



All multi re-entry nuke missiles are EMP's... it's just where the bursts happen atmospherically that count.


Lol that's what I've just said, the problem is can China's ICBM get past the Pacific coast and their neighbouring countries, Japan, SK and Taiwan along with South East Asia and reach into North America.
Permanently off his rocker

Frood

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407942 time=1618160870 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407941 time=1618160374 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407928 time=1618154300 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407923 time=1618147355 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407921 time=1618146107 user_id=61




I believe that's what the THAAD deployed in South Korea is for, now China has lost all their military privacy.


Nothing but hardened electronics will survive after WW3 kicks off, and then populations will die by the hundreds of millions... perhaps billions.



It doesn't take many atmospheric bursts to shut down clean water, farming, logistics, and refrigeration anywhere in the world. Warheads have multiple re-entry components.



It's no longer a case of MAD (mutually assured destruction)... it's about to knocking out the adversarial MAD...



We're on the cusp of the dark ages v2.0.... whether in our lifetimes or our children's...


That is if China's EMP missiles can get past South Korea and Japan with the THAAD up and running as a early warning system.  The biggest concern will be China's SSBNs attempting to launch the EMP near the coast of the US, but then the US have like a dozen aircraft carrier battle groups on stand by, not to mention their new batch of SSNs designed effectively to hunt and destroy any enemy submarine and vessels, their Seawolf class with 13 sonars, unlike the previous subs with only 1.


Mate, you've been fed a load of bs...



All multi re-entry nuke missiles are EMP's... it's just where the bursts happen atmospherically that count.


Lol that's what I've just said, the problem is can China's ICBM get past the Pacific coast and their neighbouring countries, Japan, SK and Taiwan along with South East Asia and reach into North America.


ICBM mobile platforms can launch from anywhere, as well as the numerous dark subs prowling the Pacific and Atlantic from China and Russia...



If the desire is there, it's a done deal...



In the meantime, the Biden Admin is herding its adversaries to desire it....
Blahhhhhh...

Zetsu

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407943 time=1618161123 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407942 time=1618160870 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407941 time=1618160374 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407928 time=1618154300 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407923 time=1618147355 user_id=1676




Nothing but hardened electronics will survive after WW3 kicks off, and then populations will die by the hundreds of millions... perhaps billions.



It doesn't take many atmospheric bursts to shut down clean water, farming, logistics, and refrigeration anywhere in the world. Warheads have multiple re-entry components.



It's no longer a case of MAD (mutually assured destruction)... it's about to knocking out the adversarial MAD...



We're on the cusp of the dark ages v2.0.... whether in our lifetimes or our children's...


That is if China's EMP missiles can get past South Korea and Japan with the THAAD up and running as a early warning system.  The biggest concern will be China's SSBNs attempting to launch the EMP near the coast of the US, but then the US have like a dozen aircraft carrier battle groups on stand by, not to mention their new batch of SSNs designed effectively to hunt and destroy any enemy submarine and vessels, their Seawolf class with 13 sonars, unlike the previous subs with only 1.


Mate, you've been fed a load of bs...



All multi re-entry nuke missiles are EMP's... it's just where the bursts happen atmospherically that count.


Lol that's what I've just said, the problem is can China's ICBM get past the Pacific coast and their neighbouring countries, Japan, SK and Taiwan along with South East Asia and reach into North America.


ICBM mobile platforms can launch from anywhere, as well as the numerous dark subs prowling the Pacific and Atlantic from China and Russia...



If the desire is there, it's a done deal...



In the meantime, the Biden Admin is herding its adversaries to desire it....


Yes, but how do you expect the platforms to get anywhere close to the US?  Unless they are smuggled into Latin America which I highly doubt.  China's nuclear subs are notoriously known for being loud, which I also highly doubt they'll remain unnoticed by the current Seawolf class subs, which was tailored made to hunt and destroy Russian subs, let alone the inferior Chinese submarines.
Permanently off his rocker

Frood

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407946 time=1618161762 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407943 time=1618161123 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407942 time=1618160870 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407941 time=1618160374 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407928 time=1618154300 user_id=61




That is if China's EMP missiles can get past South Korea and Japan with the THAAD up and running as a early warning system.  The biggest concern will be China's SSBNs attempting to launch the EMP near the coast of the US, but then the US have like a dozen aircraft carrier battle groups on stand by, not to mention their new batch of SSNs designed effectively to hunt and destroy any enemy submarine and vessels, their Seawolf class with 13 sonars, unlike the previous subs with only 1.


Mate, you've been fed a load of bs...



All multi re-entry nuke missiles are EMP's... it's just where the bursts happen atmospherically that count.


Lol that's what I've just said, the problem is can China's ICBM get past the Pacific coast and their neighbouring countries, Japan, SK and Taiwan along with South East Asia and reach into North America.


ICBM mobile platforms can launch from anywhere, as well as the numerous dark subs prowling the Pacific and Atlantic from China and Russia...



If the desire is there, it's a done deal...



In the meantime, the Biden Admin is herding its adversaries to desire it....


Yes, but how do you expect the platforms to get anywhere close to the US?  Unless they are smuggled into Latin America which I highly doubt.  China's nuclear subs are notoriously known for being loud, which I highly doubt they'll remain unnoticed by the current Seawolf class subs, which was tailored made to hunt and destroy Russian subs, let alone the inferior Chinese submarines.


A few weeks ago Russia published drone footage of multiple subs emerging simultaneously from the Arctic ice with at least one of them with an IBCM hatch open already.



It's was a warning and easy as that... they've cut the travel time in half to the East Coast of the US. Each ICBM has between 6-10 re-entry modules...



In the meantime, Turkey is tonguing NATO's arse out by only enforcing the Montreaux Convention on Russia, instead of all nations, despite NATO shipping armaments to the Baltic for over a month as well as 10's of thousands of troops....under the guise of joint exercises and training. Turkey is the ultimate switch hitter too....buying off both adversaries. How much do you want to bet that their S-300's and S-400's have a vulnerability



Push comes to shove and Russia and China will become allies. Turkey is the new Italy...



It's likely to kick off in the matter of weeks.



Ask yourself where that Russian sub that passed the Straits of Gibraltar after going dark off the coast of Palestine is these days... nobody knows or is saying they know.... but it's somewhere in the Atlantic... and Russian mobile IBM'S are already scrambled in their nation...



China doesn't need to fire first. If Biden's handler's allow NATO to keep fucking with Russia's borders and with their alliance to Syria, China will pull a Japan...
Blahhhhhh...

Zetsu

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407953 time=1618163032 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407946 time=1618161762 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407943 time=1618161123 user_id=1676
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407942 time=1618160870 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407941 time=1618160374 user_id=1676




Mate, you've been fed a load of bs...



All multi re-entry nuke missiles are EMP's... it's just where the bursts happen atmospherically that count.


Lol that's what I've just said, the problem is can China's ICBM get past the Pacific coast and their neighbouring countries, Japan, SK and Taiwan along with South East Asia and reach into North America.


ICBM mobile platforms can launch from anywhere, as well as the numerous dark subs prowling the Pacific and Atlantic from China and Russia...



If the desire is there, it's a done deal...



In the meantime, the Biden Admin is herding its adversaries to desire it....


Yes, but how do you expect the platforms to get anywhere close to the US?  Unless they are smuggled into Latin America which I highly doubt.  China's nuclear subs are notoriously known for being loud, which I highly doubt they'll remain unnoticed by the current Seawolf class subs, which was tailored made to hunt and destroy Russian subs, let alone the inferior Chinese submarines.


A few weeks ago Russia published drone footage of multiple subs emerging simultaneously from the Arctic ice with at least one of them with an IBCM hatch open already.



It's was a warning and easy as that... they've cut the travel time in half to the East Coast of the US. Each ICBM has between 6-10 re-entry modules...



In the meantime, Turkey is tonguing NATO's arse out by only enforcing the Montreaux Convention on Russia, instead of all nations, despite NATO shipping armaments to the Baltic for over a month as well as 10's of thousands of troops....under the guise of joint exercises and training. Turkey is the ultimate switch hitter too....buying off both adversaries. How much do you want to bet that their S-300's and S-400's have a vulnerability



Push comes to shove and Russia and China will become allies. Turkey is the new Italy...



It's likely to kick off in the matter of weeks.



Ask yourself where that Russian sub that passed the Straits of Gibraltar after going dark off the coast of Palestine is these days... nobody knows or is saying they know.... but it's somewhere in the Atlantic... and Russian mobile IBM'S are already scrambled in their nation...



China doesn't need to fire first. If Biden's handler's allow NATO to keep fucking with Russia's borders and with their alliance to Syria, China will pull a Japan...


You do have some solid points, and information I never knew.  But still Turkey is still far away from the US mainland with lots of buffer zone that nothing a THAAD can't prevent.  And the Arctic has always been known to have SSBNs and SSNs lurking since the cold war, which was the sole purpose of US and Soviet subs, but IIRC 20 years ago China's sub were never arctic designed or capable, not sure about it now though, but then Northern Canada will be the buffer for the US.  Bottom line is if you're worried about EMP,  lets not forget nukes have always existed.
Permanently off his rocker

Frood

Turkey will go with whomever is winning despite housing American missiles in its interior. China doesn't have to kick off.....it can be a silent partner to Russia and join later.



Even North Korea has a pair of satellites orbiting in a perpendicular motion to any other nation and traversing the horizon of North America each day...



It's not a question of if.... just how much. Will the various nations open fire and destroy human life everywhere for generations to come or will they choose to lob atmospheric bursts and let each other starve and become dehydrated from lack of potable water, and civil strife.



I'm not worried about EMP... it's the best of shit options on offer.
Blahhhhhh...

Zetsu

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407959 time=1618164551 user_id=1676
Turkey will go with whomever is winning despite housing American missiles in its interior. China doesn't have to kick off.....it can be a silent partner to Russia and join later.



Even North Korea has a pair of satellites orbiting in a perpendicular motion to any other nation and traversing the horizon of North America each day...



It's not a question of if.... just how much. Will the various nations open fire and destroy human life everywhere for generations to come or will they choose to lob atmospheric bursts and let each other starve and become dehydrated from lack of potable water, and civil strife.



I'm not worried about EMP... it's the best of shit options on offer.


If you're not worried about nukes or EMP, then I duno what you're being so concerned about.  There's no way the US will let Russia or China launch their missiles anywhere close to US coasts.



Lets not forget the US have Russia and China by the balls with the sheer number of bases established in the Asia Pacific, chance are Russia and China will be the first to lose if hell breaks lose, the US might get a dent and that's it.  Assuming there's no other top secret stuff hidden from public.
Permanently off his rocker

Frood

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=407964 time=1618165292 user_id=61
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=407959 time=1618164551 user_id=1676
Turkey will go with whomever is winning despite housing American missiles in its interior. China doesn't have to kick off.....it can be a silent partner to Russia and join later.



Even North Korea has a pair of satellites orbiting in a perpendicular motion to any other nation and traversing the horizon of North America each day...



It's not a question of if.... just how much. Will the various nations open fire and destroy human life everywhere for generations to come or will they choose to lob atmospheric bursts and let each other starve and become dehydrated from lack of potable water, and civil strife.



I'm not worried about EMP... it's the best of shit options on offer.


If you're not worried about nukes or EMP, then I duno what you're being so concerned about.  There's no way the US will let Russia or China launch their missiles anywhere close to US coasts.



Lets not forget the US have Russia and China by the balls with the sheer number of bases established in the Asia Pacific, chance are Russia and China will be the first to lose if hell breaks lose, the US might get a dent and that's it.  Assuming there's no other top secret stuff hidden from public.


The US is as powerless as anybody else to prevent a first strike, whether a dirty ground burst attack or upper atmospheric pulse attack... I don't get where the confusion is...



A sub is a sub is a sub and they carry shitloads.



Bases mean nothing, and nor do antiquated aircraft carriers...
Blahhhhhh...