Is racism behind rising number of visible minorities in jail

[Odinson]

Is this kind of thinking leading to the result that the justice-system should somehow fear condemning coloured prisoners?



The prison-guards are the meanest aholes known to man. They are selected to be like that so that they can break the prisoners spirit. The guards are far outnumbered in the facilities. The prisoners need to feel like they are maggots compared to the almighty guards



The natives were totally decimated by the colonials so the crimerate is most likely very high.



It doesn´t matter how oppressed your people are... If you commit crime, you get punished.



When you hear some asshole complaining about a long sentence for a petty crime, take a look at his/her record. The sentence grows when you continue doing crimes.

[Odinson]

And when they divide the different groups in prison... Do you really want to put the nazis/hellsangels/white supremacists in a same room with hispanic/black/asian prisoners? FUCK NO! They´ll start a riot.

[Anonymous]

Why is it that whenever some criminologist or prisoners' rights crusader notes that visible minorities — especially blacks and aboriginals — are "overrepresented" in our criminal justice system, their conclusion is that the system is flawed?



Howard Sapers, the Correctional Investigator for Canada, is the latest example. Sapers, a former Alberta Liberal MLA who was appointed to the National Parole Board and then to his current position by former Liberal governments, filed his annual report to Parliament last week. In it he blames covert racism for the dramatic rise of minorities in our prison system.



Sapers also questions why the federal prison population has increased by 16.5% in the past decade even as crime has been falling.



In a speech at a Toronto church last weekend, Sapers was even more scathing, blaming the government of Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper for "mass incarceration," "arbitrary and abusive conditions of detention" and for moving away from the progressive model of rehabilitation-over-punishment brought in by the Trudeau Liberals in 1971.



"You cannot reasonably claim to have a just society with incarceration rates" such as Canada now has, Sapers insisted.



But are our incarceration rates unfair and unjust?



Let's deal first with Sapers' claim (repeated often by other hug-a-thug theorists) that we don't need to lock up more crooks because the national crime rate is falling. Has it never occurred to these alleged experts that the crime rate is falling precisely because so many more crooks have been locked up?



We know that a relatively small number of criminals commit the vast majority of crime. So by taking more of these repeat offenders off the streets, it is entirely possible that less crime is being committed as a result of higher incarceration rates and longer sentences.



It is also possible that crime isn't falling as much or as fast as stats indicate. The big drop is only in the amount of crime being reported. An international phenomenon detected in surveys of crime victims shows clearly victims are less inclined to report crimes because they are losing faith in the police, courts and prisons to punish the perpetrators.



Some of the drop in crime is an illusion.



But back to Sapers' charge that aboriginals and blacks are overrepresented in our prison system.



In the past decade, there has been a 46% increase in the number of aboriginal men incarcerated in federal prisons and an 80% increase in the number of aboriginal women. Aboriginals make up just 4% of the Canadian population, but account for 23% of federal prisoners.



Blacks, who make up just 3% of our population account for 10% of our prisoners and have seen a 90% spike in their numbers in jail over the last 10 years.



Similarly, Hispanics, Asians and Indo-Canadians have seen their prison levels rise by 75% since 2003. One quarter of inmates are foreign-born.



By contrast, the Caucasian population behind bars has fallen 3%.



Sapers chalks all this up to systemic racism in the justice system and growing cultural insensitivity.



He wants ethnic liaison officers in prisons to handle prisoner demands for special food and cultural traditions.



In his mind, the statistics "raise some very significant questions about our commitment to inclusion, social justice, equity, equality."



Really? Because the percentage of aboriginals and visible minorities in our prisons mirrors almost exactly the percentages of aboriginals and visible minorities arrested for and convicted of crimes.



The percentage of a group in the general population vs. its percentage of the prison population is a largely meaningless comparison. The valid comparison is between a group's participation in crime and its inclusion in prison.



On the latter, Canada's prison system has it just about right.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/canadian-prison-system-not-flawed">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/c ... not-flawed">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/canadian-prison-system-not-flawed

[Anonymous]

Why is it that whenever some criminologist or prisoners' rights crusader notes that visible minorities — especially blacks and aboriginals — are "overrepresented" in our criminal justice system, their conclusion is that the system is flawed?



Howard Sapers, the Correctional Investigator for Canada, is the latest example. Sapers, a former Alberta Liberal MLA who was appointed to the National Parole Board and then to his current position by former Liberal governments, filed his annual report to Parliament last week. In it he blames covert racism for the dramatic rise of minorities in our prison system.



Sapers also questions why the federal prison population has increased by 16.5% in the past decade even as crime has been falling.



In a speech at a Toronto church last weekend, Sapers was even more scathing, blaming the government of Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper for "mass incarceration," "arbitrary and abusive conditions of detention" and for moving away from the progressive model of rehabilitation-over-punishment brought in by the Trudeau Liberals in 1971.



"You cannot reasonably claim to have a just society with incarceration rates" such as Canada now has, Sapers insisted.



But are our incarceration rates unfair and unjust?



Let's deal first with Sapers' claim (repeated often by other hug-a-thug theorists) that we don't need to lock up more crooks because the national crime rate is falling. Has it never occurred to these alleged experts that the crime rate is falling precisely because so many more crooks have been locked up?



We know that a relatively small number of criminals commit the vast majority of crime. So by taking more of these repeat offenders off the streets, it is entirely possible that less crime is being committed as a result of higher incarceration rates and longer sentences.



It is also possible that crime isn't falling as much or as fast as stats indicate. The big drop is only in the amount of crime being reported. An international phenomenon detected in surveys of crime victims shows clearly victims are less inclined to report crimes because they are losing faith in the police, courts and prisons to punish the perpetrators.



Some of the drop in crime is an illusion.



But back to Sapers' charge that aboriginals and blacks are overrepresented in our prison system.



In the past decade, there has been a 46% increase in the number of aboriginal men incarcerated in federal prisons and an 80% increase in the number of aboriginal women. Aboriginals make up just 4% of the Canadian population, but account for 23% of federal prisoners.



Blacks, who make up just 3% of our population account for 10% of our prisoners and have seen a 90% spike in their numbers in jail over the last 10 years.



Similarly, Hispanics, Asians and Indo-Canadians have seen their prison levels rise by 75% since 2003. One quarter of inmates are foreign-born.



By contrast, the Caucasian population behind bars has fallen 3%.



Sapers chalks all this up to systemic racism in the justice system and growing cultural insensitivity.



He wants ethnic liaison officers in prisons to handle prisoner demands for special food and cultural traditions.



In his mind, the statistics "raise some very significant questions about our commitment to inclusion, social justice, equity, equality."



Really? Because the percentage of aboriginals and visible minorities in our prisons mirrors almost exactly the percentages of aboriginals and visible minorities arrested for and convicted of crimes.



The percentage of a group in the general population vs. its percentage of the prison population is a largely meaningless comparison. The valid comparison is between a group's participation in crime and its inclusion in prison.



On the latter, Canada's prison system has it just about right.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/canadian-prison-system-not-flawed">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/c ... not-flawed">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/canadian-prison-system-not-flawed

When Native Canadians are only 4% of the overall population and yet 23% of those in federal prisons there is something very wrong with the system.

[Odinson]

Yea, or maybe they just do more crime.



Don´t go all hippie on us fash.



All the peoples in the world are not as docile as you.



Damn idiots just think every1 is the same and get themselves killed.

[Obvious Li]

When Native Canadians are only 4% of the overall population and yet 23% of those in federal prisons there is something very wrong with the system.[/quote]







OK =...for the bleeding hearts like Fash..i simply say open up any newspaper in Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg or any other indian town, on any particular day and you will see the following story: repeated over and over again......six months house arrest for killing someone.....unbelievable



Truth be told, probably 85% of adult male natives should be locked up until they are 50 plus to protect the rest of society.....and the other 15% need to be monitored...however, i guess the bleeding hearts don't care as long as natives are killing each other and not them..... :mrgreen:





Teen given six months for Shamattawa killing



By: James Turner



Posted: 12/1/2013 3:15 PM |

   

Conditions on Shamattawa First Nation were taken into account when a 19-year-old man was sentenced to six months additional custody for a killing he committed as a youth.



A young man who fatally stabbed a violent party guest on a northern Manitoba reserve has been handed a six-month jail sentence.



In a case that shines a grim light on social issues that plague the remote northern community of Shamattawa, provincial court Judge Murray Thompson ruled against a request from provincial prosecutors to keep the offender in jail for a longer period.



A young offender's manslaughter case surrounding the death of Charles Beardy in Shamattawa exposed problems when different social systems — like justice, education and child welfare — interact.



While in custody prior to his sentencing hearing, the youth was found to be mature, respectful and co-operative by correctional staff.



But after he was released on bail to live in Winnipeg, he was denied entry to school because of the manslaughter charge that he eventually pleaded guilty to.



Awasis CFS appealed the Winnipeg School Division ban to the Children's Advocate but was turned down, Thompson said.



The offender returned to custody in October after missing curfew one night.



Compounding problems is how a CFS supervisor's "administrative mix-up" led to a missed extension of care deadline, court heard.



That has left him ineligible for further CFS intervention. He's no longer a ward of the state, and CFS cannot help him plan his future.



"Regardless as to how it happened, the Awasis Agency is no longer involved in planning for his life and regrettably it seems, (he) has fallen through the cracks of the child-welfare system," the judge said.



He plans to return to Shamattawa to live with his parents, who are both very ill.



The now-19-year-old man recently pleaded guilty to manslaughter. He cannot be identified because he was charged and sentenced as a youth for the killing of Charles Beardy, 39, on Nov. 27, 2011. The Crown did not seek an adult sentence.



"The actions of the accused fell short of murder due to a combination of factors where the Crown could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt he had the requisite intent to kill," Thompson said in a recent written decision made public Friday.



After noting the offender's time served on remand, the judge ordered he spend a further six months of community supervision with probation to follow.

[Anonymous]

When Native Canadians are only 4% of the overall population and yet 23% of those in federal prisons there is something very wrong with the system.

[/b]

OK =...for the bleeding hearts like Fash..i simply say open up any newspaper in Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg or any other indian town, on any particular day and you will see the following story: repeated over and over again......six months house arrest for killing someone.....unbelievable



Truth be told, probably 85% of adult male natives should be locked up until they are 50 plus to protect the rest of society.....and the other 15% need to be monitored...however, i guess the bleeding hearts don't care as long as natives are killing each other and not them..... :mrgreen:





Teen given six months for Shamattawa killing



By: James Turner



Posted: 12/1/2013 3:15 PM |

   

Conditions on Shamattawa First Nation were taken into account when a 19-year-old man was sentenced to six months additional custody for a killing he committed as a youth.



A young man who fatally stabbed a violent party guest on a northern Manitoba reserve has been handed a six-month jail sentence.



In a case that shines a grim light on social issues that plague the remote northern community of Shamattawa, provincial court Judge Murray Thompson ruled against a request from provincial prosecutors to keep the offender in jail for a longer period.



A young offender's manslaughter case surrounding the death of Charles Beardy in Shamattawa exposed problems when different social systems — like justice, education and child welfare — interact.



While in custody prior to his sentencing hearing, the youth was found to be mature, respectful and co-operative by correctional staff.



But after he was released on bail to live in Winnipeg, he was denied entry to school because of the manslaughter charge that he eventually pleaded guilty to.



Awasis CFS appealed the Winnipeg School Division ban to the Children's Advocate but was turned down, Thompson said.



The offender returned to custody in October after missing curfew one night.



Compounding problems is how a CFS supervisor's "administrative mix-up" led to a missed extension of care deadline, court heard.



That has left him ineligible for further CFS intervention. He's no longer a ward of the state, and CFS cannot help him plan his future.



"Regardless as to how it happened, the Awasis Agency is no longer involved in planning for his life and regrettably it seems, (he) has fallen through the cracks of the child-welfare system," the judge said.



He plans to return to Shamattawa to live with his parents, who are both very ill.



The now-19-year-old man recently pleaded guilty to manslaughter. He cannot be identified because he was charged and sentenced as a youth for the killing of Charles Beardy, 39, on Nov. 27, 2011. The Crown did not seek an adult sentence.



"The actions of the accused fell short of murder due to a combination of factors where the Crown could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt he had the requisite intent to kill," Thompson said in a recent written decision made public Friday.



After noting the offender's time served on remand, the judge ordered he spend a further six months of community supervision with probation to follow.

Thank you for posting that Mr. Obvious Li..



I don't think sentences like that are common though, but I could be wrong..



That doesn't change that Native Canadians are over represented in the penal system.

[Anonymous]

^^Fash, why the fuck are you so hung up on the race of offenders? People in federal pens are not nice people that need a hug. They are there because they deserve to be there.

[Obvious Li]

^^Fash, why the fuck are you so hung up on the race of offenders? People in federal pens are not nice people that need a hug. They are there because they deserve to be there.

when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.

[Anonymous]

^^Fash, why the fuck are you so hung up on the race of offenders? People in federal pens are not nice people that need a hug. They are there because they deserve to be there.

when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.

That brings up another issue. I would like to see all reserves dismantled, the Indian Act scrapped and one citizenship for all Canadians regardless of their race/ethnicity. There will be a lot of resistance from corrupt chiefs/band councils and whites who make a living off the "Indian industry, but I say fuck em all. What we have is clearly not working for the majority of Aboriginals or Canadian taxpayers who are funding it.

[Obvious Li]

^^Fash, why the fuck are you so hung up on the race of offenders? People in federal pens are not nice people that need a hug. They are there because they deserve to be there.

when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.

That brings up another issue. I would like to see all reserves dismantled, the Indian Act scrapped and one citizenship for all Canadians regardless of their race/ethnicity. There will be a lot of resistance from corrupt chiefs/band councils and whites who make a living off the "Indian industry, but I say fuck em all. What we have is clearly not working for the majority of Aboriginals or Canadian taxpayers who are funding it.

then you better come up with a solution to those idiots on the supreme court....it is those assholes that perpetuate this native myth of we owe them a living.....get somebody on there with balls and the rest will take care of itself

[Anonymous]

when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.

That brings up another issue. I would like to see all reserves dismantled, the Indian Act scrapped and one citizenship for all Canadians regardless of their race/ethnicity. There will be a lot of resistance from corrupt chiefs/band councils and whites who make a living off the "Indian industry, but I say fuck em all. What we have is clearly not working for the majority of Aboriginals or Canadian taxpayers who are funding it.

then you better come up with a solution to those idiots on the supreme court....it is those assholes that perpetuate this native myth of we owe them a living.....get somebody on there with balls and the rest will take care of itself

Oh I have no faith in anyone appointed by a politician to tear down the antiquated Indian Act. That would require real guts and that is in short supply in Ottawa. The closest we came was in 1969 under Indian and Northern Affairs Minister Jean Chretien's white paper. I bet they regret that now. Harper has done some piecemeal stuff like making elected reserve leaders salaries more transparent, but it is nowhere near enough.

[Gary Oak]

Chugaboos all sexually molest their sisters, daughters, nieces or any woman they can get their hands on. They don't care, if they want it they take it. They are just like wild animals.

[Anonymous]

Chugaboos all sexually molest their sisters, daughters, nieces or any woman they can get their hands on. They don't care, if they want it they take it. They are just like wild animals.

Gary, that is a horribly racist stereotype of Native Canadian men.

 

[Obvious Li]

Chugaboos all sexually molest their sisters, daughters, nieces or any woman they can get their hands on. They don't care, if they want it they take it. They are just like wild animals.

Gary, that is a horribly racist stereotype of Native Canadian men.

 

sorry it is not......talk to any public health nurse that works on a reserve and they will all tell you and confirm that there is not a virgin to be found anywhere past the age of 9/10......they do not exist on a reserve......considering everyone on a reserve is related it means a fair bit of incest occurs.....fairly common knowledge in indian country.......get out more and ask questions