Quote from: "Real Woman"Let's cut the crap mmmkay Mr Mundaaay.  You ARE slagging unions, specifically teachers, not a system.



First I want to address your corporal punishment high school days.  Why didn't you see kids diagnosed with ADD or ADHD?  Because it wasn't a defined disorder in your day.  People have been exhibiting such behaviour for hundreds of years, they just didn't have a label or comprehensive treatment for it.  Now you know.  Also, in your day, kids who did poorly in school dropped out and got jobs (ever notice it was mostly boys?).  My generation didn't have that luxury - almost every employer demanded a high school diploma or at least enrolment towards one.  I should also note that today's generation has a far greater literacy rate than your or even my generation did.  Through (costly) technology, kids these days have at their fingertips what we'd spend hours searching for in a library.  



I understand you seemingly want to live in the past, but the sit down, shut up and learn model is long since gone.  Why?  Because it was fail.



We have classes full of children with disabilities and dis functions is because it's cheaper.  They used to have dedicated classes and teachers but some psychology pin head deemed integration better that the system saw an opportunity to save a buck.



Before I go on, Munday, I'm assuming you don't have kidsz. Am I right?

Quote from: "Odinson"The teachers get crappy pay but then again their job isnt that hard.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Odinson"The teachers get crappy pay but then again their job isnt that hard.

The teachers at my children's school seems fair, but I do not know how it compares to the public school system..



What I do know is that they are all qualified to teach in the public school system..



My brother and I went to a private Christian school for almost our entire school lives, so we cannot compare.

Quote from: "Real Woman"Pardon me Munday.  You talked about your days and not witnessing issues in your kids so I assumed you didn't have any.  



As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours.  And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?



I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation.  I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on.  A side that involves chronic government underfunding placing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.

Quote from: "Real Woman"Pardon me Munday.  You talked about your days and not witnessing issues in your kids so I assumed you didn't have any.  



As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours.  And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?



I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation.  I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on.  A side that involves chronic government underfunding placing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"

Quote from: "Real Woman"Pardon me Munday.  You talked about your days and not witnessing issues in your kids so I assumed you didn't have any.  



As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours.  And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?



I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation.  I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on.  A side that involves chronic government underfunding placing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.

 i was about to move on when i re-read your post and could not let this horseshit comment about "chronic government underfunding" pass by without challenge......as we are comparing time let's talk about funding.....i read this somewhere way back when but can't recall where..so you can challenge it if you wish but i suspect it is 100% accurate.....it should be fairly easy to confirm providing you don't fudge the stats.



"back in the day"  80% of educational funding was spent in the classroom and 20% was spent on teachers salaries, admin etc.........today those figures are exactly reversed... 80% is spent on teachers salaries, pensions, admin, staff etc and 20% is spent on the kids and classrooms......there is no underfunding...it is simply a matter of most of the money being sucked up by greedy union workers, admin etc. and not enough being allocated to the students in the classroom......stop being a fucking bolshevik and start think about the kids for a change

Quote from: "Fashionista"I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..

But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.

Quote from: "Green_Hornet"

Quote from: "Fashionista"I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..

But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.

Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.

I guess Fashionista, you are not interested in saving money for advanced education in the future.



The Vancouver School Public School still offer Advance Placement Courses and exams to get a jump in University.

https://www.vsb.bc.ca/apexams">https://www.vsb.bc.ca/apexams



Advanced_Placement

The Advanced Placement (AP) is a program in the United States and Canada created by the College Board offering college-level curriculum and examinations to high school students. American colleges often grant placement and course credit to students who obtain high scores above a certain number on the examinations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Placement">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Placement



BTW Have you seen your RESP investments lately?  If you have, the RESP that have a portion exposed to the stock market have recently done very well.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"
sorry toots..i base ALL my arguments totally on facts and experience.....being stubborn is easy when the facts are on your side and i only speculate when the odds are skewed sharply in my favor...to do otherwise would be cowardly......i will let a million other studies speak to the inabilities of the huge percentage of today's grads who cannot find an ocean, a country, a continent, their province..who cannot name their capital city, prime minister, premier etc etc.....the percentages are high and growing....now with the new math they can no longer add or subtract so i rest my case knowing as always i am right and the facts support my position....i will admit grads from private or charter schools do much better but that is mostly because unions don't  have the sway there....so keep on keeping on with your head in the sand...people like me will always need fast food workers and manual laborers to do the shit work...so truth be told we need about 40% of the kids to graduate stupid to keep minimum wages low. So  i guess in one sense the system is working.



i should add that the vast majority of the kids i am talking about are white...the parents of yellow and brown first and second generation kids value an education and generally demand excellence from their kids....they provide studies outside of the regular "play school" and insist their children study and apply themselves..totally opposite from native born children

Quote from: "Green_Hornet"

Quote from: "Fashionista"I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..

But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.

Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.

I guess Fashionista, you are not interested in saving money for advanced education in the future.



The Vancouver School Public School still offer Advance Placement Courses and exams to get a jump in University.

https://www.vsb.bc.ca/apexams">https://www.vsb.bc.ca/apexams



Advanced_Placement

The Advanced Placement (AP) is a program in the United States and Canada created by the College Board offering college-level curriculum and examinations to high school students. American colleges often grant placement and course credit to students who obtain high scores above a certain number on the examinations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Placement">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Placement



BTW Have you seen your RESP investments lately?  If you have, the RESP that have a portion exposed to the stock market have recently done very well.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"
 i was about to move on when i re-read your post and could not let this horseshit comment about "chronic government underfunding" pass by without challenge......as we are comparing time let's talk about funding.....i read this somewhere way back when but can't recall where..so you can challenge it if you wish but i suspect it is 100% accurate.....it should be fairly easy to confirm providing you don't fudge the stats.



"back in the day"  80% of educational funding was spent in the classroom and 20% was spent on teachers salaries, admin etc.........today those figures are exactly reversed... 80% is spent on teachers salaries, pensions, admin, staff etc and 20% is spent on the kids and classrooms......there is no underfunding...it is simply a matter of most of the money being sucked up by greedy union workers, admin etc. and not enough being allocated to the students in the classroom......stop being a fucking bolshevik and start think about the kids for a change

Quote from: "Gary Oak"STFU Ho, what do you care anyway. You have to have sex in order to have kids. You still think the stork brings them.

Quote from: "Green_Hornet"Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.