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Quote from: "Renee"Same goes for rape victims; sometimes they can put themselves into a situation where the odds of being assaulted increase dramatically. It doesn't happen in every case but it does happen.

How many rape victims are assaulted because they're too drunk or in a bad neighbourhood late at night? Maybe a few percent at the most?



The majority of rape victims are assaulted by someone they know. The question is asking if the average rape victim somehow deserves it, which is quite offensive.

Quote from: "Shen Li"Renee,



My parents always told me to be smart and don't make a criminal's job easy for them. I'm sure your parents also told you to stay away from danger whenever possible. You probably have had this conversation with your daughters.



However, a victim is a victim is a victim. If, gawd forbid something happened to one of your daughters, you too would be offended if while driving to the office you heard a poll question like the one CHED did.

Quote from: "Romero"I think it's offensive because it shouldn't have to be questioned. It's assuming there's a possibility victims of sexual assault may be somehow to blame.



"It's very controversial but do you think victims of murder share any blame for what happens?"

Quote from: "Real Woman"

Quote from: "Romero"I think it's offensive because it shouldn't have to be questioned. It's assuming there's a possibility victims of sexual assault may be somehow to blame.



"It's very controversial but do you think victims of murder share any blame for what happens?"

We've had this discussion MANY times.  As I said, as humans we have to be responsible for our personal security which involves mitigating victimization.  



If I leave me doors unlocked and someone breaks in, my insurance company will likely tell me TFB because I didn't secure my property.  Does that mean they are blaming me or is it there is an expectation that I am responsible to secure my property?  On a criminal level, however, it makes the person who broke into my home no less criminally liable for the act.



Are you seeing the difference?



I hate that we are sending a message to women, specifically young women, that because there is no excuse for rape (including what they are wearing or how much they've had to drink) that they can engage in high risk behaviour and believe there will be no consequences.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Renee,



My parents always told me to be smart and don't make a criminal's job easy for them. I'm sure your parents also told you to stay away from danger whenever possible. You probably have had this conversation with your daughters.



However, a victim is a victim is a victim. If, gawd forbid something happened to one of your daughters, you too would be offended if while driving to the office you heard a poll question like the one CHED did.

Alright let's stow the emotional out bursts, please. You are starting to sound like Socks with his anti-gun and anti-hunting arguments.



I'm not debating victimhood, the question was does a victim of sexual assault bear some of the blame? All I'm saying is that in a certain aspect under certain limited circumstances, yes they do, but not from a right or wrong or legal standpoint.

Quote from: "Real Woman"If I leave me doors unlocked and someone breaks in, my insurance company will likely tell me TFB because I didn't secure my property.  Does that mean they are blaming me or is it there is an expectation that I am responsible to secure my property?  On a criminal level, however, it makes the person who broke into my home no less criminally liable for the act.



Are you seeing the difference?

Quote from: "Real Woman"I'll give you a personal example.



My younger sister was mugged a few years back.  Some asshole grabbed her purse, pushed her to the ground and ran off.  Upon hearing this, my first reaction was "OMG!  ARE YOU OKAY?!"  That was followed by comments about how I would like to kick the teeth in of the guy who did it.  How I hope they find him and throw the book at him!



Then I found out the details...



My sister was walking home from downtown Vancouver to her place on 16th Ave.  While her friends all got into cabs, she decided that a drunken walk home alone at 2am was a good idea.  What do you think my next comment to her was?  It was, "WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING?!?!?!" (Or not thinking for that matter.)



Did I blame my sister for what happened or merely point out that she did something that dramatically increased her changes of being victimized?



Regardless of our belief that we SHOULD be able to walk around drunk, in the middle of the night in short skirts and heels, there is a reality out there that includes shitty people who will do shitty things to us.  And as I said, I don't want women being given the impression they are "safe" doing what my sister did because no one has the right to do anything illegal to them regardless of the circumstances.  People do and people will take advantage of situations and we have a responsibility to make that as difficult for them as possible.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Real Woman"If I leave me doors unlocked and someone breaks in, my insurance company will likely tell me TFB because I didn't secure my property.  Does that mean they are blaming me or is it there is an expectation that I am responsible to secure my property?  On a criminal level, however, it makes the person who broke into my home no less criminally liable for the act.



Are you seeing the difference?

A rape victim is nothing like leaving a door unlocked. The majority of rape victims have done nothing to compromise their security. The average woman is just as likely to be raped as any other woman, no matter what precautions they take.



Minors and the elderly are often victims of sexual assault. Sometimes men. We never accuse any of them of engaging in "high risk behaviour".



No one has ever told a woman that they can engage in high risk behaviour and there will be no consequences.

Quote from: "Real Woman"

Quote from: "Romero"I think it's offensive because it shouldn't have to be questioned. It's assuming there's a possibility victims of sexual assault may be somehow to blame.



"It's very controversial but do you think victims of murder share any blame for what happens?"

We've had this discussion MANY times.  As I said, as humans we have to be responsible for our personal security which involves mitigating victimization.  



If I leave me doors unlocked and someone breaks in, my insurance company will likely tell me TFB because I didn't secure my property.  Does that mean they are blaming me or is it there is an expectation that I am responsible to secure my property?  On a criminal level, however, it makes the person who broke into my home no less criminally liable for the act.



Are you seeing the difference?



I hate that we are sending a message to women, specifically young women, that because there is no excuse for rape (including what they are wearing or how much they've had to drink) that they can engage in high risk behaviour and believe there will be no consequences.

Quote from: "Shen Li"Really??  What like in nursing homes by staff members? I never heard this before? Details please?

QuoteAccording to the National Elder Abuse Incidence Study of 1998, approximately 67% of elder sexual abusers were family members. Another study, published in the Journal of Abuse in 2000, estimated 12.2% of elder sexual abuse victims were assaulted within their own home. Approximately 14.6% of elder sexual abuse victims were assaulted in the sexual offender's home. The largest percentage of elder sexual abuse, around 70.7% of cases, occurred within nursing homes.



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Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Really??  What like in nursing homes by staff members? I never heard this before? Details please?

QuoteAccording to the National Elder Abuse Incidence Study of 1998, approximately 67% of elder sexual abusers were family members. Another study, published in the Journal of Abuse in 2000, estimated 12.2% of elder sexual abuse victims were assaulted within their own home. Approximately 14.6% of elder sexual abuse victims were assaulted in the sexual offender's home. The largest percentage of elder sexual abuse, around 70.7% of cases, occurred within nursing homes.



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