Is Lust a Sin?

[Twenty Dollars]

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[J0E]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

If you don't mind me asking, by any chance, did your previous experience as an Exotic Dancer have anything to do with your condemnation of Lust as a sin, Dove?



Were there certain experiences which shaped your beliefs?



Or would you prefer not to answer/talk about them?

[RW]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

Love is love.  Lust is lust.  Human nature is to procreate and extend our species.  Sex is a physical act. Period. It's not all the other shit that's been piled onto it over the centuries.



You talk about failed urges but it begs the question of if we were allowed to follow true human nature without religious rules, would we have broken homes and porn and STDs?

[Bricktop]

The NT....wasn't written in English. Are you asking for a long winded class on greek and hermenuetics, or do you want to just take our word for it?  People laugh at Christians because they are ignorant of why we believe what we believe and make assumptions. Arrogantly. Like you just did. I could in depth on this if you'd like. You'll be subjected to several scriptures though.

What was it written in?



How, then, did it become English?

 Greek. It was translated from greek, with the exception of a few translated from greek to Latin to English, like kjv 1611, I believe.  It's a whole, interesting and time consuming endeavor to study on.

So how did it come to be written in Greek?

[J0E]

Lust is a strong desire for something.  If that's the case, why it is I can't lust for my husband?

 You can. In a marriage it's not lust. In fact, biblically, your husband can't deny you unless he is fasting/praying.  He HAS to put out.  Lol.

Why is it not lust?

 Because you are joined with that person.  It's not lust. Lust is a drive for things that are not yours. Like coveting, only sexual.

So....according to She ....the following would not be considered lust....

[Anonymous]

The NT....wasn't written in English. Are you asking for a long winded class on greek and hermenuetics, or do you want to just take our word for it?  People laugh at Christians because they are ignorant of why we believe what we believe and make assumptions. Arrogantly. Like you just did. I could in depth on this if you'd like. You'll be subjected to several scriptures though.

What was it written in?



How, then, did it become English?

 Greek. It was translated from greek, with the exception of a few translated from greek to Latin to English, like kjv 1611, I believe.  It's a whole, interesting and time consuming endeavor to study on.

So how did it come to be written in Greek?

Because Paul wrote it in greek, to greek churches such as the one in Rome (romans) the one in Corith (corinthians) et.  During acts, pentecost,  the apostles were given the ability to speak in tongues they didn't know in order to preach gospel to gentiles. Also, Luke wasn't jewish. Hebrew/greek are the languages of the original texts.

[Anonymous]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

Love is love.  Lust is lust.  Human nature is to procreate and extend our species.  Sex is a physical act. Period. It's not all the other shit that's been piled onto it over the centuries.



You talk about failed urges but it begs the question of if we were allowed to follow true human nature without religious rules, would we have broken homes and porn and STDs?

 You see "religious rules" where God speaks of freedom from the bondage of our flesh. You don't follow rules to "be good". You don't follow rules, period.  God changes your nature. You become a new creation.  You still sin, but you aren't bound to it.   In the secular world, lust is fine and sex is simply physicsl. There is no sin.  So....asking if it is a sin is opening up a dialog about the biblical view.  But, if sex was just a drive to procreate.  ....there wouldn't be so much abortion flying around and plenty of women have sex to feel loved. It's not just physical. If it were as meaningless as you presented, why would anyone bother "piling all that other" stuff on it?  Why all the fuss?

[Anonymous]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

If you don't mind me asking, by any chance, did your previous experience as an Exotic Dancer have anything to do with your condemnation of Lust as a sin, Dove?



Were there certain experiences which shaped your beliefs?



Or would you prefer not to answer/talk about them?

 I already went into that.

[RW]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

Love is love.  Lust is lust.  Human nature is to procreate and extend our species.  Sex is a physical act. Period. It's not all the other shit that's been piled onto it over the centuries.



You talk about failed urges but it begs the question of if we were allowed to follow true human nature without religious rules, would we have broken homes and porn and STDs?

 You see "religious rules" where God speaks of freedom from the bondage of our flesh. You don't follow rules to "be good". You don't follow rules, period.  God changes your nature. You become a new creation.  You still sin, but you aren't bound to it.   In the secular world, lust is fine and sex is simply physicsl. There is no sin.  So....asking if it is a sin is opening up a dialog about the biblical view.  But, if sex was just a drive to procreate.  ....there wouldn't be so much abortion flying around and plenty of women have sex to feel loved. It's not just physical. If it were as meaningless as you presented, why would anyone bother "piling all that other" stuff on it?  Why all the fuss?

Did you ever consider that maybe religion perverted sex to be more than just physical?

[Anonymous]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

Love is love.  Lust is lust.  Human nature is to procreate and extend our species.  Sex is a physical act. Period. It's not all the other shit that's been piled onto it over the centuries.



You talk about failed urges but it begs the question of if we were allowed to follow true human nature without religious rules, would we have broken homes and porn and STDs?

 You see "religious rules" where God speaks of freedom from the bondage of our flesh. You don't follow rules to "be good". You don't follow rules, period.  God changes your nature. You become a new creation.  You still sin, but you aren't bound to it.   In the secular world, lust is fine and sex is simply physicsl. There is no sin.  So....asking if it is a sin is opening up a dialog about the biblical view.  But, if sex was just a drive to procreate.  ....there wouldn't be so much abortion flying around and plenty of women have sex to feel loved. It's not just physical. If it were as meaningless as you presented, why would anyone bother "piling all that other" stuff on it?  Why all the fuss?

Did you ever consider that maybe religion perverted sex to be more than just physical?

Jude speaks of "ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness" (Jude 4). Peter warns against the enticement of false teachers who had "eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin" (2 Pet 2:14). The problem of sexual permissiveness and perversion had become so noticeable in the Corinthian church that Paul openly rebuked those who engaged in incestuous and adulterous sexual relations (1 Cor 5:1, 6:16-18).

[RW]

Yes I'm aware of the Bible's take on human nature.  It pretty much says it's all wrong and applies rules against it.

[Anonymous]

Yes I'm aware of the Bible's take on human nature.  It pretty much says it's all wrong and applies rules against it.

Not inside of marriage.

[RW]

Yet it denies we should feel all the sexual things that gets us to marriage.



Maybe humans aren't even cut out to be married hence the infidelity and broken homes.

[Anonymous]

Well you can but the goal is to avoid it. Focus on the attraction and the person, who they are, and forming a friendship. Alot of courting Christian couples make a point to avoid situations that would inspire lust taking over.  I'm not really one to talk, because lust is a major struggle for most.  Married people are supposed to keep each other satisfied to avoid pre occupation with intense sexual desire.  Which is also a challange.  Alot of honest reflection, prayer, and bring intentional in thought and action. The more you entertain thoughts the bigger they get, the harder it is to overcome.  We will never be entirely free of sin....hence, God's grace.

Personally, I think it's merely a means of control to make wrong basic human instincts such as lust.  We are supposed to have strong sexual desires.  It's human nature.  So is the bible saying that God created us with basic instincts then turned around and made them sins?



Sounds fishy to me.

 Well look at the fruit of human lust.  Stds, broken families, porn, abuse, human trafficking, sex addiction, et.   Yes, God gave us sexual desire. Then humans fell, and because of that, we are all born spiritually dead and in our flesh, sin nature.  So we have flawed "urges".   God's design was for one man and one woman to come together and become one. To love and take care of eachother.  Sex is more than a physical release, it's a joining of two people. There is a Hebrew word which describes this love as a bonding, mingling of souls.  Compare how we approach sex, and what God intended it for....and you see how our fallen nature destroyed it.  Like our greed destroying creation. I guess you have to have a good understanding and grasp on total depravity and what we were, and what creation was meant to be.

Love is love.  Lust is lust.  Human nature is to procreate and extend our species.  Sex is a physical act. Period. It's not all the other shit that's been piled onto it over the centuries.



You talk about failed urges but it begs the question of if we were allowed to follow true human nature without religious rules, would we have broken homes and porn and STDs?

 You see "religious rules" where God speaks of freedom from the bondage of our flesh. You don't follow rules to "be good". You don't follow rules, period.  God changes your nature. You become a new creation.  You still sin, but you aren't bound to it.   In the secular world, lust is fine and sex is simply physicsl. There is no sin.  So....asking if it is a sin is opening up a dialog about the biblical view.  But, if sex was just a drive to procreate.  ....there wouldn't be so much abortion flying around and plenty of women have sex to feel loved. It's not just physical. If it were as meaningless as you presented, why would anyone bother "piling all that other" stuff on it?  Why all the fuss?

Did you ever consider that maybe religion perverted sex to be more than just physical?

 Yeah. When I was 15 and trying to defend behaviors I knew in my core were wrong.  I've since seen too much reality to think otherwise. Lust, is not a positive thing for humanity.

[Anonymous]

Sexual things shouldn't ever be a motivating factor in marriage, and this is probably why people feel entitled to cheat and why so many marriages fail. Again, if it's just some physical act, why base marriage on it?