What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles

Anonymous · February 21, 2022, 10:14:47 AM

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Look at this.

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EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys

A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.

The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.

The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery">https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/2294 ... ev-battery">https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

It's all EVs. All I got to say about that is ac_toofunny ac_lmfao

Lol I have to agree when even a $100,000 Tesla can engulf in flames.

That's not something Elon Musk wants people to know.

Zetsu · February 21, 2022, 10:54:04 AM

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Look at this.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery">https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/2294 ... ev-battery">https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

It's all EVs. All I got to say about that is ac_toofunny ac_lmfao

Lol I have to agree when even a $100,000 Tesla can engulf in flames.

That's mot something Elon Musk wants people to know.

Lol not to mention if it catches on fire while inside a garage, I couldn't imagine the damage it will cause.

cc · March 02, 2022, 03:17:22 PM

As was always was to be the end result on this one ....

Ship Carrying Luxury Cars Sinks Near Azores Islands After Burning For Weeks ... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/02/ship-carrying-luxury-cars-sinks-near-azores-islands">Guardian - Suspicion Has Fallen On Lithium Batteries Used In Electric Vehicles

BURNED OUT HULK

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An abandoned ship carrying an estimated $401m (£295m) worth of cars, including Porsche, Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini models, has sunk nearly two weeks after a fire broke out onboard.

The Felicity Ace sank on Tuesday about 400 kilometers (250 miles) off Portugal's Azores Islands as it was being towed, MOL Ship Management in Singapore said in a statement. A salvage team had put out the fire which had burned for days, fueled by lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles onboard.

Guardian Sub Headline - " Authorities fear that thousands of tons of fuel carried onboard could leak and pollute the ocean"

["Fuel" eh?? .. ummm . .errr .. what about the 1000s of car batteries & the lithium etc. etc. ]

Anonymous · March 02, 2022, 03:31:07 PM

The Guardian sub headline is laughable. But, the Guradian itself is a laughable prog rag.

Anonymous · March 03, 2022, 01:09:30 AM

This article goes on and there is a forty two minute video attached to it. You get the point though. Electric cars, wind and solar suck up a lot of resources we don't have enough of and produce real pollution. Not just plant food C02.

The Price of Green Energy Will Destroy Us.

The Illusion of Eco Cars

https://rclutz.com/2022/02/26/the-illusion-of-eco-cars/?fbclid=IwAR1ixZUgMxp8Q6Aklgn71nqhZoif77XC5bV6LyVWf_75NyrL-tLCWBD6gdc">https://rclutz.com/2022/02/26/the-illus ... tLCWBD6gdc">https://rclutz.com/2022/02/26/the-illusion-of-eco-cars/?fbclid=IwAR1ixZUgMxp8Q6Aklgn71nqhZoif77XC5bV6LyVWf_75NyrL-tLCWBD6gdc

The message is not about the exorbitant expense so much as the destruction of the world's environment in order to save it.

What if these supposedly clean energies are nothing of the sort, if they ultimately inflict even more damage on the environment than fossil fuels?

"Everything surrounding us in society is made up of minerals. Basically electric cars are made of metals and minerals, and they need to be mined somewhere."

" There's no such thing as clean energy. As long as we've got this kind of human behavior, there will also be pollution."

By 2023 it's hoped that 225 billion euros will have been invested in e-cars worldwide. That's the price of a ticket to tomorrow's world.

CEO VW France: ' It's a future market that so far makes up just a few percent of the overall market but this market will explode. We're gearing ourselves up for a completely different ballpark. "The electric car will grow from niche product to mass-produced one, and we'll be offering it at prices everyone can afford."

They no longer run on petrol or diesel. But other raw materials are essential in the manufacture of their batteries. Rare metals for example. These metals are already present in many components of our combustion vehicles. For example cerium ensures that windshields can filter UV rays. And we owe the colors and touch sensitivity of dashboard screens to europium and indium.

hey're crucial for the vehicle's operation. Without neodymium for example, an e-car wouldn't even be able to start. Neodymium is used to make magnets; they convert electric energy into mechanical energy, thereby powering the car.

The battery is the heart of an electric car. It constitutes up to 50 percent of the vehicle's weight and contains cobalt and graphite among other elements. But that's not all. A battery contains many rare metals, especially lithium, that's the lightest one. It allows an exchange of electrons which in turn charges or discharges energy.

The auto industry is reliant on these little known raw materials and they're also present in most other green technologies. It's not just the e-car that needs rare metals they're used everywhere for the magnets and wind turbine motors, for example. Rare metals are also crucial for the manufacture of solar cells, for photovoltaic systems. Without them we couldn't generate any green renewable energies.

So where do these vital resources come from? Cobalt is chiefly mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Australia Chile and Bolivia all have huge lithium reserves, and Indonesia is a key producer of nickel, zirconium and tin. Today nations on all continents produce many hundred million tons of these raw materials. One country in particular owns vast reserves of strategic resources. China is the dominant producer of these sought after metals. In particular it produces two-thirds of the world's supply of a mineral that's especially important to green tech companies: Graphite.

We're in the far north of the country, in the province of Heilongjiang. Almost unnoticed excavators have carried away an entire mountain right down to the ground water level to secure our green future. Graphite is often produced in ramshackle factories. These men work day and night without adequate clothing or respiratory protection. They're the miners of the 21st century.

Miner: "We know our job exposes us to a health risk but we wear a mask for protection. Breathing this air over a long period of time can give you silicosis, where the lung becomes as hard as stone."

The fine black dust floating in the air contains hydrofluoric acid. Inhaling large amounts of this caustic contact poison can potentially cause death.

"Do you know what this graphite's used for?"

Miner: "For lots of things. For example, these days it's used in all types of e-cars mainly for electric car batteries."

The graphite residues are dispersed over many kilometers throughout the surrounding area. Before their very eyes farmers are witnessing a huge toxic carpet of dust building up on the region's fields. Here the plants no longer sprout any leaves and the soil is losing its fertility.

The paradox is that greenhouse gas emissions continue to exacerbate climate change all around our planet.

Engineer: To make something clean you always have to pollute something else. There's no such thing as a co2 free and 100 % ecological product, regardless of what we might sometimes read on the label. It's impossible, there's always going to be a knock-on effect. If we want to see what pollution looks like, the environmental damage caused by our ever so clean products which we like to believe are made by workers in white coats, then we only need to look at industrial zones in China or elsewhere."

A wind turbine consists of an average 20 tons of aluminum and up to 500 tons of steel. An e-car contains up to 80 kilos of copper, four times more than in some combustion vehicles. This reddish-brown metal is especially important for green tech companies.

Jean-Marc Sauser: "The energy transition is consuming huge amounts of copper, not just in the construction of wind turbines, but also in the connector cables that link the turbines to each other and the grid. The electricity has to reach its target destination after all. If you want electric cars, then you need charging points everywhere. For that you have to lay copper cables, and that's what's happening at the moment.

Olivier Vidal: "If you take copper for example, it gives us a clear illustration of what's going on. Since the beginning of time humanity has produced between 800 million and a billion tons of copper. If we continue on this current growth trajectory will produce the same amount in the next 30 years. We'll have to produce as much copper in three decades as we've consumed since the beginning of time. The demand is huge."

cc · March 03, 2022, 12:14:01 PM

^^^ Our elite are taking us down the road to ruin

We are being led through a long tunnel that slowly becomes more narrow as we move through it with no end to ever get out

Meanwhile, they let China do what it wants

Anonymous · March 03, 2022, 03:36:39 PM

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^^^ Our elite are taking us down the road to ruin

We are being led through a long tunnel that slowly becomes more narrow as we move through it with no end to ever get out

Meanwhile, they let China do what it wants

China sells us the solar panels that they tell us we must buy to save the planet......while they build coal fired power plants.

Bricktop · March 03, 2022, 04:23:03 PM

Electric vehicles will be a hard sell in a vast land like ours. They might take you to the local supermarket, but they won't get you to the nearest town, which can be hundreds of kilometres away.

cc · March 03, 2022, 04:37:42 PM

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^^^ Our elite are taking us down the road to ruin

We are being led through a long tunnel that slowly becomes more narrow as we move through it with no end to ever get out

Meanwhile, they let China do what it wants

China sells us the solar panels that they tell us we must buy to save the planet......while they build coal fired power plants.

Yes, not just use coal, but also no plans to ever close them + plans to build many more

We are being lead astray by the left .. in fact, being lead to ruin

Anonymous · March 09, 2022, 12:35:54 PM

Does Justin Trudeau know the price of nickel increased the cost of an EV battery by over $1,000 overnight? Even Elon musk says we need increased O&G output immediately.

Nickel price surge could add $1,000 to production of an electric vehicle: Morgan Stanley

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nickel-price-surge-added-1000-to-cost-of-an-electric-vehicle-morgan-stanley-175726024.html">https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nicke ... 26024.html">https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nickel-price-surge-added-1000-to-cost-of-an-electric-vehicle-morgan-stanley-175726024.html

cc · March 09, 2022, 02:54:58 PM

The very recent increase in the price of Nickel has gone up so fast and high that it has added another $1,000 to the price of each electric so-called car

Anonymous · March 09, 2022, 03:04:39 PM

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Does Justin Trudeau know the price of nickel increased the cost of an EV battery by over $1,000 overnight? Even Elon musk says we need increased O&G output immediately.

Nickel price surge could add $1,000 to production of an electric vehicle: Morgan Stanley

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nickel-price-surge-added-1000-to-cost-of-an-electric-vehicle-morgan-stanley-175726024.html">https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nicke ... 26024.html">https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nickel-price-surge-added-1000-to-cost-of-an-electric-vehicle-morgan-stanley-175726024.html

We are subsidizing electric cars for rich people and forcing the price of fuel and heating our homes higher for working class people. Progtards have screwed up priorities.

Bricktop · March 09, 2022, 04:36:32 PM

A lot of Australians like to tour this vast country with caravans. In remote areas, that is the only accommodation you will get.

How long will an electric vehicle last towing heavy loads?

Anonymous · March 09, 2022, 06:36:57 PM

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A lot of Australians like to tour this vast country with caravans. In remote areas, that is the only accommodation you will get.

How long will an electric vehicle last towing heavy loads?

Any type of heavy vehicle in hot or cold climates.

Bricktop · March 16, 2022, 06:47:40 PM

If you're considering buying an electric vehicle, here's an interesting test of a Skoda (Volkswagen) EV.

If you want the short version, it amply demonstrates how adding load to an electric vehicle can severely curtail range. The car used in this test is much closer to a consumer level model that the average customer would buy.

Adding roof racks and other airflow obstructions drop the range by a considerable amount. Even additional passengers will drop the range, as will turning on accessories and lights.

And for caravan towing, the range is more than halved.

To achieve a rapid recharge rate you need to upgrade the charger (at a price) to allow you to recharge in 34 minutes. That's right folks...for 34 minutes (minimum) you'll be sitting in your car listening to Barry Manilow while the kids bicker and fight. And that might be required every 100 miles or 160 kilometres. In Australia, recharging at the FASTEST rate will add 90 minutes to your journey...assuming a charge port is available on your journey, and there's no queue.

Without a rapid charger, using your home power resources, recharge will take 13 hours.

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